Elizabeth FitzPaen

Elizabeth was born about 1306, the daughter of Robert FitzPaen and UNKNOWN. The place is not known.

Pedigree Chart (3 generations)

Elizabeth FitzPaen (c1306-?)	Robert FitzPaen (c1285-1354)	Robert FitzPaen, de Baskerville, de Northwood (c1257-c1315)	William de Baskerville, de Northwood (c1237-c1266)
		Robert FitzPaen, de Baskerville, de Northwood (c1257-c1315)	Isabella [Emma] FitzPaen, de Northwood (c1237-?)
		Isabel de Clifford (c1257-?)	John de Clifford (c1232-?)
		Isabel de Clifford (c1257-?)
	UNKNOWN (c1285-<1319)

Events

Notes

Note 1

!Note: Primary Feet-of-Fines evidence, summarized below, proves that Robert and Gilbert, de Grey, sons of Richard de Grey of Codnor, were living

heirs by 1324 and parties to an entail of Robert FitzPaen. Similarly, at least Robert was still living in 1354.

That means their mother Elizabeth would need to be childbearing age a year or two before before 1324, so let's say 1306,

A. Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/286/32 https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_286_32.shtml number 224

[1] to Robert, son of Richard de Grey of Codenoure, and the heirs of his body, [2] to Gilbert, brother of the same Robert, son of Richard, and the heirs of his body and [3] to the right heirs of Robert fiz Payn.

B. Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/286/32 https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_286_32.shtml number 225

[1] to Robert, son of Richard de Grei of Codenoure, and the heirs of his body, [2] to Gilbert, brother of the same Robert, son of Richard, and the heirs of his body and [3] to the right heirs of Robert fiz Payn.

C. Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/286/32 https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_286_32.shtml number 226

D. Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/287/45 https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_287_45.shtml number 504

[1] to Robert, son of Richard de Grey of Codenore, and Elizabeth, his wife, and the heirs of the body of Robert, son of Richard, and [2] to the right heirs of Robert Fytzpayn.

E. Patent Roll 12 Edw II p. 2 m. 4, as quoted in Cokayne, Complete Peerage of England.

Robert II FitzPaen married Ela [previously le Mareschal] 29 Jun 1319, “with no issue.” Thus there can be no daughter Joan born 1321. The children’s mother was Elizabeth FitzPaen, not a later Joan.

!Source: Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/286/32 https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_286_32.shtml

Parties: Robert fiz Payn and Ela, his wife, querents, and Jordan de Byntre, the parson of the church of Wrockeshale, and Geoffrey de Godemaneston', the parson of the church of Wodeton', deforciants.

Property: The manors of Stokecurcy, Radeweye, Cary [and] Cherleton' and the hundred of Canyngton' and the advowson of the church of Cherleton' in the county of Somerset and the manor of Wrockeshale and the advowson of the church of the same manor in the county of Dorset.

Agreement: Robert and Ela have acknowledged the manors and hundred and advowsons to be the right of Jordan and Geoffrey, as those which Jordan and Geoffrey have of their gift.

For this: Jordan and Geoffrey have granted to Robert and Ela the manors and hundred and advowsons and have rendered them to them in the court, to hold to Robert and Ela and the male heirs begotten by Robert on the body of Ela, of the lord king and his heirs for ever. In default of such heirs, successive remainders [1] to Robert, son of Richard de Grey of Codenoure, and the heirs of his body, [2] to Gilbert, brother of the same Robert, son of Richard, and the heirs of his body and [3] to the right heirs of Robert fiz Payn.

Note: [Endorsed: Bew [Bugo] de Knouille puts in his claim. Alice de Eueringham puts in her claim. <<<< Note from source not me - Rex

Thomas le Bret puts in his claim. Peter Helyon and Cecily, his wife, put in their claim. Thomas de Iuethorn' and Sarah, his wife, put in their claim.]

Standardised forms of names. [These are tentative suggestions, intended only as a finding aid.]

Persons: Robert FitzPayn, Ela FitzPayn, Jordan de Bintree, Geoffrey de Godmanstone, Richard de Grey, Robert de Grey, Gilbert de Grey, Bew de Knoville, Alice de Everingham, Thomas le Brett, Peter Helion, Cecily Helion, Thomas de Ivethorn, Sarah de Ivethorn

Places: Wraxall, Wootton Fitzpaine [in Dorset], Stogursey, Radway Fitzpaine [in Cannington], Cary Fitzpaine [in Charlton Mackrell], Charlton Mackrell, Cannington, Codnor [in Derbyshire]

Summary: Robert II FitzPaen and wife Ela reaffirmed ownership of properties in Somerset and Dorset through a royal court fine in 1324, creating an entail through the Greys of Codnor. It also makes it rather likely that Elizabeth, wife of Richard de Grey was their daughter, and shows likely grandsons Robert and Gilbert.

!Source: Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/286/32 https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_286_32.shtml

Parties: Robert fiz Payn and Ela, his wife, querents, and Jordan de Byntre, the parson of the church of Wrockeshale, and Geoffrey de Godemaneston', the parson of the church of Wodeton', deforciants.

Property: The manor of Staple and 1 messuage and 1 carucate of land in Wyndeyate and the advowson of the church of Staple in the county of Somerset and the manor of Akford' and the advowson of the church of the same manor in the county of Dorset.

Agreement: Robert and Ela have acknowledged the tenements and advowsons to be the right of Jordan, as those which Jordan and Geoffrey have of their gift.

For this: Jordan and Geoffrey have granted to Robert and Ela the tenements and advowsons and have rendered them to them in the court, to hold to Robert and Ela and the male heirs of their bodies, of the chief lords for ever. In default of such heirs, successive remainders [1] to Robert, son of Richard de Grei of Codenoure, and the heirs of his body, [2] to Gilbert, brother of the same Robert, son of Richard, and the heirs of his body and [3] to the right heirs of Robert fiz Payn.

Note: [Endorsed: Bew [Bugo] de Knouill' puts in his claim. Alice de Eueringh[a]m puts in her claim. <<<< Note from source not me - Rex

Thomas le Bret puts in his claim. Peter Helyon and Cecily, his wife, put in their claim.]

Standardised forms of names. [These are tentative suggestions, intended only as a finding aid.]

Places: Wraxall, Wootton Fitzpaine [both in Dorset], Staple Fitzpaine, Wingate [in Stogursey], Okeford Fitzpaine, Codnor [in Derbyshire]

!Source: Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/286/32 https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_286_32.shtml

Parties: Robert fiz Payn and Ela, his wife, querents, and Jordan de Byntre, the parson of the church of Wrockeshale, and Geoffrey de Godemaneston', the parson of the church of Wodeton', deforciants.

Property: The manor of Whisshele in the county of Surrey and the manor of Stourton' and the advowson of the church of the same manor in the county of Wiltshire.

Agreement: Robert and Ela have acknowledged the manors and advowson to be the right of Jordan, as those which Jordan and Geoffrey have of their gift.

For this: Jordan and Geoffrey have granted to Robert and Ela the manors and advowson and have rendered them to them in the court, to hold to Robert and Ela and the male heirs of their bodies, of the chief lords for ever. In default of such heirs, successive remainders [1] to Robert, son of Richard de Grey of Codenoure, and the heirs of his body, [2] to Gilbert, brother of the same Robert, son of Richard, and the heirs of his body and [3] to the right heirs of Robert fiz Pa[yn].

Standardised forms of names. [These are tentative suggestions, intended only as a finding aid.]

Persons: Robert FitzPayn, Ela FitzPayn, Jordan de Bintree, Geoffrey de Godmanstone, Richard de Grey, Robert de Grey, Gilbert de Grey

Places: Wraxall [in Wiltshire], Wootton Fitzpaine [in Dorset], Wisley, Stourton, Codnor [in Derbyshire]

Summary Robert II FitzPaen and wife Ela reaffirmed ownership of two Wiltshire manors through a royal court fine in 1324, creating an entail through the Greys of Codnor. . It also makes it rather likely that Elizabeth, wife of Richard de Grey was their daughter, and shows likely grandsons Robert and Gilbert.

Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/287/45 https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_287_45.shtml

Parties: Thomas Wygod', the parson of the church of Wotton', and Robert de Sambourn', clerk, querents, and Robert Fytzpayn and Ela, his wife, deforciants.

Property: The manors of S[tap]le, Ceden', Cary and Cherleton' Makerell' and the advowsons of the churches of the manors of Staple, Ceden' and Cherleton' Makerell' in the county of Somerset and the manor of Wrockeshale in the county of Dorset.

Agreement: Robert Fytzpayn and Ela have acknowledged, to wit, the manors of Cary and Cherleton' Makerell' and the advowson of the church of the manor of Cherleton' Makerell' to be the right of Thomas [and] Robert de Sambourn' and the manors of Staple, Ceden' and Wrockeshale and the advowsons of the churches of the manors of Staple and [Ceden'] to be the right of Thomas, as those which Thomas and Robert de Sambourn' have of their gift.

For this: Thomas and Robert de Sambourn' have granted to Robert Fytzpayn the manors and advowsons and have rendered them to him in the court, to hold to Robert Fytzpayn and the male heirs of his body, [to wit], the manors of Cary and Cherleton' Makerell' and the advowson of the church of the manor of Cherleton' Makerell' of the lord king and his heirs and the manors of Staple, Ceden' and Wrockeshale and the advowsons of the churches of the manors of Staple and Ceden' of the chief lords, for ever. In default of such heirs, successive remainders [1] to Robert, son of Richard de Grey of Codenore, and Elizabeth, his wife, and the heirs of the body of Robert, son of Richard, and [2] to the right heirs of Robert Fytzpayn.

Note: This agreement was made by the command of the lord king. <<<< Note from source not me - Rex

Standardised forms of names. [These are tentative suggestions, intended only as a finding aid.]

Persons: Thomas Wigod, Robert de Sambourne, Robert FitzPayn, Ela FitzPayn, Richard de Grey, Robert de Grey, Elizabeth de Grey

Places: Wootton Fitzpaine [in Dorset], Staple Fitzpaine, Cheddon Fitzpaine, Cary Fitzpaine [in Charlton Mackrell], Charlton Mackrell, Wraxall, Codnor [in Derbyshire]

Robert and Ela FitzPayn acknowledge these manors as belonging to Thomas Wygod and Robert de Sambourn [their apparent trustees or feoffees to uses].

The trustees then re-grant the same manors back to Robert FitzPayn and the male heirs of his body, creating an entail.

Failing such heirs, the reversion passes [1] to Robert son of Richard de Grey of Codnor and his wife Elizabeth, and [2] to the right heirs of Robert FitzPayn.

The fine was issued by the king’s command — suggesting royal oversight or direct approval, likely because these lands were held in chief.

This was a formal entail and reconfirmation of title for Robert II FitzPaen and Ela his wife in 1354 — not a sale or surrender, but a legal reinforcement of inheritance rights.

The inclusion of the Greys of Codnor as contingent heirs indicates an intermarried or politically allied family connection.

It firmly establishes that Robert II FitzPaen was still alive and managing his estates in 1354, with Ela also surviving and named as co-holder.

Robert II FitzPaen and wife Ela reaffirmed ownership of multiple Somerset and Dorset manors through a royal court fine in 1354, creating an entail through the Greys of Codnor. This confirms both were living and active at that date. It also makes it rather likely that Elizabeth, wife of Richard de Grey was their daughter.

!Source: The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant,

Extinct, or Dormant G. E. Cokayne; new edition rev. Vicary Gibbs & H. A. Doubleday

Vol. V [Eardley of Spalding to Goojerat]. London: The St Catherine Press, 1926 [cancelling 1921 issue]

https://archive.org/details/CokayneG.E.TheCompletePeerageSecondEditionVolume5EAGO/page/n239/mode/2up

1. Parentage & Birth Patent Roll 18 Edw III p. 2 m. 34d [1344]; >Described as Robert FitzPayn [IV]; younger son of Sir Richard de Grey of Codnor by Joan FitzPayn

19 Edw III p. 2 m. 31d [1345] > daughter of Sir Robert FitzPayn [I] and Isabel. [Robert IV] Born ~1321 [per his deposition in the Scrope v.

> Grosvenor case, 1386, aged 65]. <<<< 86-65=21 age of Robert IV. The one mentioned in Scrope v.

> Grosvenor was born about 1375, the daughter of Richard 4th Lord Pynings, granddaughter of Elizabeth

<<<< Robert II married Ela 29 Jun 1319 with no issue, per Pat. Roll 12 Edw II p. 2 m. 4

<<<< However, Mother was Elizabeth per fines above. There was no Joan in this time frame.

2. Marriage to Elizabeth de Briene Papal Letters vol iii p. 450 [16 Aug 1351 – 16 Oct 1354] FALSE > Married Elizabeth, daughter and in her issue co-heir of Sir Guy de Briene of Laugharne & Walwyn’s Castle

> [Lord Briene] by his 1st wife Joan de Carew. Elizabeth was still unmarried in 1351.

3. Inheritance from Uncle Sir Robert FitzPayn Close Rolls 28 Edw III m. 2; 30 Edw III m. 21 [20 Dec 1354] Upon his uncle’s death in 1354, Robert and Elizabeth inherited the manors and advowsons of Cheddon, Staple,

[2nd Baron] Charlton Mackrell, and Cary Fitzpaine [Somerset] and Wraxall [Dorset] under the fine of 28 Edw III. Livery granted

20 Dec 1354; homage respited as Robert was in the King’s service abroad with Guy de Briene.

<<<< False. Sir Robert FizPayn 2nd Baron was his grandfather. If he was the grandson of Robert I, then uncle.

4. Further Inheritance from Ela FitzPayn Close Rolls 30 Edw III m. 21 [6 Mar 1355/6] Succeeded to Stogursey & Rodway [Somerset], Okeford Fitzpaine [Dorset], and the Hundred of Cannington by

5. Lease of Wraxall and Stourton Manors Inq. a.q.d. 33 Edw III file 331 no. 4; Conveyed Wraxall & Stourton to John de Vere, Earl of Oxford, and his wife Maud for life at £200 rent per year,

Patent Roll 33 Edw III p. 2 m. 25; remainder to Robert & Elizabeth and their heirs. Licence 1 Jul 1359.

6. Military Service & Later Life Scrope & Grosvenor Case Deposition [16 Jul 1386] Testified in heraldic trial; stated his age as “ sessant et cynk anz ” [65 years]. Still living 1386. Described as

7. Family Connections & Issue Guy de Bryene the younger’s will [7 Jul 1383/6] Styled “mon treschere frere Robard le FitzPayn.” Issue unknown or died s.p. Barony extinct in male line. Co-heirs

Coll. Top. & Gen. iii p. 253 fell to daughters of Robert’s aunts [Isabel FitzPayn Chidiok & Elizabeth FitzPayn de Grey].

Per Cokayne, Sir Robert FitzPaen IV [ ~1321 – aft 1386 ], styled “the younger,” was the younger son of Sir Richard de Grey of Codnor [ Lord Grey ] and Joan FitzPaen, daughter of Sir Robert FitzPaen I and Isabel his wife. Birth date of 1321. He took his mother’s name and arms by entail and was known in records as Robert FitzPayn le Jeune or de Grey alias FitzPayn.

He married between 1351 and 1354 Elizabeth de Briene, daughter and in her issue co-heiress of Sir Guy de Briene of Laugharne and Walwyn’s Castle [ Lord Briene ] by his first wife Joan de Carew. On the death of his uncle Sir Robert FitzPaen [ 2nd Baron ], he and Elizabeth inherited the family’s remaining Somerset and Dorset estates — Cheddon, Staple, Charlton Mackrell, Cary Fitzpaen, and Wraxall — by virtue of a fine of 28 Edward III. Royal livery was granted 20 Dec 1354, his homage being respited as he was then in the King’s service abroad with Sir Guy de Briene. Following the death of Ela FitzPaen, he also succeeded to Stogursey, Rodway, Okeford Fitzpaine, and the Hundred of Cannington in 1356.

In 1359 Robert and Elizabeth leased Wraxall and Stourton to John de Vere, Earl of Oxford, and Maud his wife for Maud’s lifetime at £200 per year, with reversion to themselves and their heirs. He remained in close association with the Briene family, Guy de Bryene the younger calling him “my very dear brother Robert FitzPayn” in his 1386 will. Still living that year, Sir Robert gave his age as 65 in the Scrope and Grosvenor heraldic case.

The FitzPaen line thus continued briefly in this Grey-FitzPaen branch, uniting the Codnor and Somerset properties but leaving no male issue and no summons to Parliament. On his death, the hereditary title remained in abeyance between the heirs of his aunts Isabel FitzPaen Chidiok and Elizabeth FitzPaen Grey, closing the recorded baronial FitzPaen line.

I’m going to skip page 464, as he is so far off track by now, that anything he says would just mix us up. He doesn’t even understand that he is now looking at the descendants of Elizabeth, daughter of Robert II.

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However, since Elizabeth was indeed the wife of de Grey and mother of his sons, this is the true drawing:

Elizabeth FitzPaen

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Pedigree Chart (3 generations)

Events

Notes

Note 1