Richard de Grey

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!Source: Richard Grey, 2nd Baron Grey of Codnor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Grey,_2nd_Baron_Grey_of_Codnor

Richard Grey, 2nd Baron Grey of Codnor , of Codnor Castle, was an English soldier and diplomat.

Grey was the eldest son of Henry Gray, 1st Baron Grey of Codnor and Eleanor de Courteney. Richard succeeded to his father's titles in 1308, upon Henry's death. Richard was one of the barons who at the assembly of Stamford on 6 August 1309, signed a letter of remonstrance to the pope on the abuses in the church. He was employed in the Scottish wars in 1311, fought during the English defeat of the Battle of Bannockburn in 1314,[1] and again in 1319–20 during the unsuccessful siege of Berwick and other confrontations against the Scots in the Scottish Marches. During the baronial revolt against King Edward II of England, known as the Despenser War, he assisted Roger Mortimer and the Marcher Lords, who attacked and plundered the Welsh possessions of royal favourite Hugh le Despenser, the younger. For these attacks, Richard was pardoned by Parliament in August 1321.[2] Together with John Giffard and Robert de Shirland, they testified to the claim of Bartholomew Badlesmere that Despenser, the younger was a traitor.[3] Misled by false letters, the rebels attempted to place Gray, Giffard and Shirland firmly on their side,[4] but from the end of 1321 Gray was firmly on the side of Edward II, who took action against the baronial opposition. Richard served with the royal army, which pursued the rebels under the command of Thomas of Lancaster to the north of England. Grey remained in the favour of the king, who visited him after the victory over Lancaster in March 1322 at Grey's castle at Codnor, Derbyshire.

In 1324 Gray was appointed to the office of Seneschal of Gascony and Steward of the Duchy of Aquitaine.[5] Gray resigned this office, in October 1324, serving Edmund of Woodstock, Earl of Kent during the war in Gascony. He was then sent to defend Argentan, in the Duchy of Normandy. In 1326, Richard was Constable of Nottingham Castle and in 1327 he was employed in the Scotch marches, and was summoned for the Scottish war in 1334, but was excused on the ground of sickness. He died in 1335.

Richard married Joan, daughter of Robert FitzPayne, Lord FitzPayne and Isbella de Clifford. <<<< This follows Cokayns mistaken linage here, as wife & mother is Elizabeth, daughter of their son Robert II. Joan didn’t exist.

Robert Grey , married Elizabeth Bryan, had issue. <<<< Also missing younger brother Gilbert mentioned in numerous fines shown here.

His son Robert, took his mother's maiden name and became known as Robert FitzPayne.

Burke, John . A general and heraldic dictionary of the peerages of England, Ireland, and Scotland, extinct, dormant, and in abeyance. London: Henry Colburn and Richard Bentley.

Fryde, Natalie . The tyranny and fall of Edward II, 1321–1326. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0-521-54806-3.

Mortimer, Ian . The Greatest Traitor. The Life of Sir Roger Mortimer, 1st Earl of March, Ruler of England, 1327-1330. London: Jonathan Cape. ISBN 0-224-06249-2.

Phillips, Seymour . Edward II. New Haven: Yale University Press. ISBN 978-0-300-15657-7.

!Source: Baron Grey of Codnor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_Grey_of_Codnor

The following have been historically referred to as holders of this Grey title.[8] During the 1989 abeyance termination proceedings it was deemed that they were summoned to Parliament, but there was no evidence that they sat in a properly constituted Parliament.[9] Having said that there is no reason why a title need be created by a writ of summons, it could also be issued by writ of patent directly from the Sovereign without any necessity for approval of a parliamentary assembly, which at any event were not in a fixed place in 13th and 14th centuries.

John Grey, 3rd Baron Grey of Codnor . <<<< John was born a bit later, 1320, since his mother was too young for these dates.

!Source: Codnor Castle's history https://www.codnorcastlehistory.com/history.html

Henry De Grey took an active part in the Scottish wars of King Edward I and served in Prince Edwards force and later in the Earl of Pembroke’s force. In 1293 King Edward I visited Codnor Castle. The following year Henry was preparing to go to Gascony with Edmund, the king’s brother and made arrangements should he die in service while his son was a minor. He was in Gascony again in 1297. In 1300 Henry was to ensure that those in Essex and Hertford required for military service should attend the king at Carlisle for action against the Scots. Henry was at the siege of Caerlaverock castle and is among those listed at Berwick, 1306, whose wages were to be paid. Henry was given rewards from the king including custody of Burgham during the minority of the heir, and a pardon for £200 debts to the Exchequer in 1305. In the following year Henry was given a pardon for all debts, whether from himself or his ancestors, in consideration of his service in Scotland.

Richard De Grey served in the Scottish wars of Edward II’s reign and in March 1322 King Edward II visited Codnor Castle. Richard De Grey held the office of Constable of Nottingham castle from 1325-1328. During the seventh year of King Edward III’s reign , Richard was summoned to Newcastle to march with Edward against the Scots. However due to old age Richard’s eldest son John went in his place. Richard De Grey died while John was fighting in the north and so John De Grey became the new lord of Codnor castle.

John De Grey spent his life in the service of his king. Most notably he served in Flanders in 1330 and 1338, then in 1339 he is said to have played his part in commanding a naval fight at Sluys.

When the Scots invaded England, John was commanded to gather all the men in Derbyshire between the ages of 16 to 60 years. At the battle of Neville’s Cross it was mainly due to the strength of this retinue that England won the battle. John De Grey was involved in the Crecy expedition and he was with the king during the siege of Calais. John also took part in the battle of Crecy in 1346, where the English Army were heavily out numbered. The battle of Crecy was won by the English due to using their highly skilled archers, knights and men at arms on foot to devastating affect.

During 1356 to 1359 John served in the wars in France, which in time would be known as the 100 years war. John De grey for his services in the wars against the Scots and the wars in France was appointed Governor of Rochester town and castle for life. John was said to be so great in tournaments that his prowess led to royal gifts of accoutrements of Indian silk and a hood of white cloth embroidered with blue men dancing, buttoned with great pearls.

In 1371 John was given exemption for life from all offices and coming to parliament, this was because of his long service in war at home and in France. John continued to carryout much of his work and he was summoned to parliament again in 1372 and he continued to do so until his death in 1392. John de Grey’s grandson Richard became heir to Codnor castle as his son Henry had died before him.

!Source: Pedigree of the family of Grey, of Codnor https://www.codnor.info/resources/Castle/GreyTree2.pdf

Richard 2nd Baron Grey = Joan Fitz Payne <<<< False, corrected entry is Elizabeth Fitz Payne born about 1306. If husband died 1335, then she lived longer than 1334/5.

John 3rd Baron Grey = 1st wife <<<< Wife died soon before the birth of her children, bnut since they were later than stated, the death was a bit later too.

Henry de Grey died = Joan de Cobham, <<<< birth has to be later, say 1341, as was obviously based on father’s birth, and supposed birth of Joan FitzPayn.

John 5th Baron Grey = Lady Joan FitzGerald <<<< See John’s brother, Henry 6th Baron Grey, b 1405 - d 17/07/1444

!Source: Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/286/32 https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_286_32.shtml

Parties: Robert fiz Payn and Ela, his wife, querents, and Jordan de Byntre, the parson of the church of Wrockeshale, and Geoffrey de Godemaneston', the parson of the church of Wodeton', deforciants.

Property: The manors of Stokecurcy, Radeweye, Cary [and] Cherleton' and the hundred of Canyngton' and the advowson of the church of Cherleton' in the county of Somerset and the manor of Wrockeshale and the advowson of the church of the same manor in the county of Dorset.

Agreement: Robert and Ela have acknowledged the manors and hundred and advowsons to be the right of Jordan and Geoffrey, as those which Jordan and Geoffrey have of their gift.

For this: Jordan and Geoffrey have granted to Robert and Ela the manors and hundred and advowsons and have rendered them to them in the court, to hold to Robert and Ela and the male heirs begotten by Robert on the body of Ela, of the lord king and his heirs for ever. In default of such heirs, successive remainders to Robert, son of Richard de Grey of Codenoure, and the heirs of his body, to Gilbert, brother of the same Robert, son of Richard, and the heirs of his body and to the right heirs of Robert fiz Payn.

Note: [Endorsed: Bew de Knouille puts in his claim. Alice de Eueringham puts in her claim. <<<< Note from source not me - Rex

Thomas le Bret puts in his claim. Peter Helyon and Cecily, his wife, put in their claim. Thomas de Iuethorn' and Sarah, his wife, put in their claim.]

Persons: Robert FitzPayn, Ela FitzPayn, Jordan de Bintree, Geoffrey de Godmanstone, Richard de Grey, Robert de Grey, Gilbert de Grey, Bew de Knoville, Alice de Everingham, Thomas le Brett, Peter Helion, Cecily Helion, Thomas de Ivethorn, Sarah de Ivethorn

Places: Wraxall, Wootton Fitzpaine , Stogursey, Radway Fitzpaine , Cary Fitzpaine , Charlton Mackrell, Cannington, Codnor

Summary: Robert II FitzPaen and wife Ela reaffirmed ownership of properties in Somerset and Dorset through a royal court fine in 1324, creating an entail through the Greys of Codnor. It also makes it rather likely that Elizabeth, wife of Richard de Grey was their daughter, and shows likely grandsons Robert and Gilbert.

!Source: Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/286/32 https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_286_32.shtml

Parties: Robert fiz Payn and Ela, his wife, querents, and Jordan de Byntre, the parson of the church of Wrockeshale, and Geoffrey de Godemaneston', the parson of the church of Wodeton', deforciants.

Property: The manor of Staple and 1 messuage and 1 carucate of land in Wyndeyate and the advowson of the church of Staple in the county of Somerset and the manor of Akford' and the advowson of the church of the same manor in the county of Dorset.

Agreement: Robert and Ela have acknowledged the tenements and advowsons to be the right of Jordan, as those which Jordan and Geoffrey have of their gift.

For this: Jordan and Geoffrey have granted to Robert and Ela the tenements and advowsons and have rendered them to them in the court, to hold to Robert and Ela and the male heirs of their bodies, of the chief lords for ever. In default of such heirs, successive remainders to Robert, son of Richard de Grei of Codenoure, and the heirs of his body, to Gilbert, brother of the same Robert, son of Richard, and the heirs of his body and to the right heirs of Robert fiz Payn.

Note: [Endorsed: Bew de Knouill' puts in his claim. Alice de Eueringh[a]m puts in her claim. <<<< Note from source not me - Rex

Thomas le Bret puts in his claim. Peter Helyon and Cecily, his wife, put in their claim.]

Places: Wraxall, Wootton Fitzpaine , Staple Fitzpaine, Wingate , Okeford Fitzpaine, Codnor

!Source: Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/286/32 https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_286_32.shtml

Parties: Robert fiz Payn and Ela, his wife, querents, and Jordan de Byntre, the parson of the church of Wrockeshale, and Geoffrey de Godemaneston', the parson of the church of Wodeton', deforciants.

Property: The manor of Whisshele in the county of Surrey and the manor of Stourton' and the advowson of the church of the same manor in the county of Wiltshire.

Agreement: Robert and Ela have acknowledged the manors and advowson to be the right of Jordan, as those which Jordan and Geoffrey have of their gift.

For this: Jordan and Geoffrey have granted to Robert and Ela the manors and advowson and have rendered them to them in the court, to hold to Robert and Ela and the male heirs of their bodies, of the chief lords for ever. In default of such heirs, successive remainders to Robert, son of Richard de Grey of Codenoure, and the heirs of his body, to Gilbert, brother of the same Robert, son of Richard, and the heirs of his body and to the right heirs of Robert fiz Pa[yn].

Persons: Robert FitzPayn, Ela FitzPayn, Jordan de Bintree, Geoffrey de Godmanstone, Richard de Grey, Robert de Grey, Gilbert de Grey

Summary Robert II FitzPaen and wife Ela reaffirmed ownership of two Wiltshire manors through a royal court fine in 1324, creating an entail through the Greys of Codnor. . It also makes it rather likely that Elizabeth, wife of Richard de Grey was their daughter, and shows likely grandsons Robert and Gilbert.

Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/287/45 https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_287_45.shtml

Parties: Thomas Wygod', the parson of the church of Wotton', and Robert de Sambourn', clerk, querents, and Robert Fytzpayn and Ela, his wife, deforciants.

Property: The manors of S[tap]le, Ceden', Cary and Cherleton' Makerell' and the advowsons of the churches of the manors of Staple, Ceden' and Cherleton' Makerell' in the county of Somerset and the manor of Wrockeshale in the county of Dorset.

Agreement: Robert Fytzpayn and Ela have acknowledged, to wit, the manors of Cary and Cherleton' Makerell' and the advowson of the church of the manor of Cherleton' Makerell' to be the right of Thomas [and] Robert de Sambourn' and the manors of Staple, Ceden' and Wrockeshale and the advowsons of the churches of the manors of Staple and [Ceden'] to be the right of Thomas, as those which Thomas and Robert de Sambourn' have of their gift.

For this: Thomas and Robert de Sambourn' have granted to Robert Fytzpayn the manors and advowsons and have rendered them to him in the court, to hold to Robert Fytzpayn and the male heirs of his body, [to wit], the manors of Cary and Cherleton' Makerell' and the advowson of the church of the manor of Cherleton' Makerell' of the lord king and his heirs and the manors of Staple, Ceden' and Wrockeshale and the advowsons of the churches of the manors of Staple and Ceden' of the chief lords, for ever. In default of such heirs, successive remainders to Robert, son of Richard de Grey of Codenore, and Elizabeth, his wife, and the heirs of the body of Robert, son of Richard, and to the right heirs of Robert Fytzpayn.

Note: This agreement was made by the command of the lord king. <<<< Note from source not me - Rex

Persons: Thomas Wigod, Robert de Sambourne, Robert FitzPayn, Ela FitzPayn, Richard de Grey, Robert de Grey, Elizabeth de Grey

Places: Wootton Fitzpaine , Staple Fitzpaine, Cheddon Fitzpaine, Cary Fitzpaine , Charlton Mackrell, Wraxall, Codnor

Robert and Ela FitzPayn acknowledge these manors as belonging to Thomas Wygod and Robert de Sambourn .

The trustees then re-grant the same manors back to Robert FitzPayn and the male heirs of his body, creating an entail.

Failing such heirs, the reversion passes to Robert son of Richard de Grey of Codnor and his wife Elizabeth, and to the right heirs of Robert FitzPayn.

The fine was issued by the king’s command — suggesting royal oversight or direct approval, likely because these lands were held in chief.

This was a formal entail and reconfirmation of title for Robert II FitzPaen and Ela his wife in 1354 — not a sale or surrender, but a legal reinforcement of inheritance rights.

The inclusion of the Greys of Codnor as contingent heirs indicates an intermarried or politically allied family connection.

It firmly establishes that Robert II FitzPaen was still alive and managing his estates in 1354, with Ela also surviving and named as co-holder.

Robert II FitzPaen and wife Ela reaffirmed ownership of multiple Somerset and Dorset manors through a royal court fine in 1354, creating an entail through the Greys of Codnor. This confirms both were living and active at that date. It also makes it rather likely that Elizabeth, wife of Richard de Grey was their daughter.

!Source: The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant,

Extinct, or Dormant G. E. Cokayne; new edition rev. Vicary Gibbs & H. A. Doubleday

Vol. V [Eardley of Spalding to Goojerat]. London: The St Catherine Press, 1926 [cancelling 1921 issue]

https://archive.org/details/CokayneG.E.TheCompletePeerageSecondEditionVolume5EAGO/page/n239/mode/2up

1. Parentage & Birth Patent Roll 18 Edw III p. 2 m. 34d [1344]; >Described as Robert FitzPayn [IV]; younger son of Sir Richard de Grey of Codnor by Joan FitzPayn

19 Edw III p. 2 m. 31d [1345] > daughter of Sir Robert FitzPayn [I] and Isabel. [Robert IV] Born ~1321 [per his deposition in the Scrope v.

> Grosvenor case, 1386, aged 65]. <<<< 86-65=21 age of Robert IV. The one mentioned in Scrope v.

> Grosvenor was born about 1375, the daughter of Richard 4th Lord Pynings, granddaughter of Elizabeth

<<<< Robert II married Ela 29 Jun 1319 with no issue, per Pat. Roll 12 Edw II p. 2 m. 4

<<<< However, Mother was Elizabeth per fines above. There was no Joan in this time frame.

2. Marriage to Elizabeth de Briene Papal Letters vol iii p. 450 [16 Aug 1351 – 16 Oct 1354] FALSE > Married Elizabeth, daughter and in her issue co-heir of Sir Guy de Briene of Laugharne & Walwyn’s Castle

> [Lord Briene] by his 1st wife Joan de Carew. Elizabeth was still unmarried in 1351.

3. Inheritance from Uncle Sir Robert FitzPayn Close Rolls 28 Edw III m. 2; 30 Edw III m. 21 [20 Dec 1354] Upon his uncle’s death in 1354, Robert and Elizabeth inherited the manors and advowsons of Cheddon, Staple,

[2nd Baron] Charlton Mackrell, and Cary Fitzpaine [Somerset] and Wraxall [Dorset] under the fine of 28 Edw III. Livery granted

20 Dec 1354; homage respited as Robert was in the King’s service abroad with Guy de Briene.

<<<< False. Sir Robert FizPayn 2nd Baron was his grandfather. If he was the grandson of Robert I, then uncle.

4. Further Inheritance from Ela FitzPayn Close Rolls 30 Edw III m. 21 [6 Mar 1355/6] Succeeded to Stogursey & Rodway [Somerset], Okeford Fitzpaine [Dorset], and the Hundred of Cannington by

5. Lease of Wraxall and Stourton Manors Inq. a.q.d. 33 Edw III file 331 no. 4; Conveyed Wraxall & Stourton to John de Vere, Earl of Oxford, and his wife Maud for life at £200 rent per year,

Patent Roll 33 Edw III p. 2 m. 25; remainder to Robert & Elizabeth and their heirs. Licence 1 Jul 1359.

6. Military Service & Later Life Scrope & Grosvenor Case Deposition [16 Jul 1386] Testified in heraldic trial; stated his age as “ sessant et cynk anz ” [65 years]. Still living 1386. Described as

7. Family Connections & Issue Guy de Bryene the younger’s will [7 Jul 1383/6] Styled “mon treschere frere Robard le FitzPayn.” Issue unknown or died s.p. Barony extinct in male line. Co-heirs

Coll. Top. & Gen. iii p. 253 fell to daughters of Robert’s aunts [Isabel FitzPayn Chidiok & Elizabeth FitzPayn de Grey].

Per Cokayne, Sir Robert FitzPaen IV [ ~1321 – aft 1386 ], styled “the younger,” was the younger son of Sir Richard de Grey of Codnor [ Lord Grey ] and Joan FitzPaen, daughter of Sir Robert FitzPaen I and Isabel his wife. Birth date of 1321. He took his mother’s name and arms by entail and was known in records as Robert FitzPayn le Jeune or de Grey alias FitzPayn.

He married between 1351 and 1354 Elizabeth de Briene, daughter and in her issue co-heiress of Sir Guy de Briene of Laugharne and Walwyn’s Castle [ Lord Briene ] by his first wife Joan de Carew. On the death of his uncle Sir Robert FitzPaen [ 2nd Baron ], he and Elizabeth inherited the family’s remaining Somerset and Dorset estates — Cheddon, Staple, Charlton Mackrell, Cary Fitzpaen, and Wraxall — by virtue of a fine of 28 Edward III. Royal livery was granted 20 Dec 1354, his homage being respited as he was then in the King’s service abroad with Sir Guy de Briene. Following the death of Ela FitzPaen, he also succeeded to Stogursey, Rodway, Okeford Fitzpaine, and the Hundred of Cannington in 1356.

In 1359 Robert and Elizabeth leased Wraxall and Stourton to John de Vere, Earl of Oxford, and Maud his wife for Maud’s lifetime at £200 per year, with reversion to themselves and their heirs. He remained in close association with the Briene family, Guy de Bryene the younger calling him “my very dear brother Robert FitzPayn” in his 1386 will. Still living that year, Sir Robert gave his age as 65 in the Scrope and Grosvenor heraldic case.

The FitzPaen line thus continued briefly in this Grey-FitzPaen branch, uniting the Codnor and Somerset properties but leaving no male issue and no summons to Parliament. On his death, the hereditary title remained in abeyance between the heirs of his aunts Isabel FitzPaen Chidiok and Elizabeth FitzPaen Grey, closing the recorded baronial FitzPaen line.

I’m going to skip page 464, as he is so far off track by now, that anything he says would just mix us up. He doesn’t even understand that he is now looking at the descendants of Elizabeth, daughter of Robert II.

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However, since Elizabeth was indeed the wife of de Grey and mother of his sons, this is the true drawing:

Richard de Grey

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