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Gilbert was born about 1324, the son of Richard de Grey and Elizabeth FitzPaen. The place is not known.
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| Occupation | Rector of Heanor |
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Note 1
!Stylename: de Grey, Gilbert, Rector of Heanor [~1324-?]
!Note: Primary Feet-of-Fines evidence, summarized below, proves that Robert and Gilbert, de Grey, sons of Richard de Grey of Codnor, were living
heirs by 1324 and parties to an entail of Robert FitzPaen. Similarly, at least Robert was still living in 1354.
That means their mother Elizabeth would need to be childbearing age a year or two before before 1324, so let's say 1306,
and Richard de Grey would need to be at least that old.
A. Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/286/32 https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_286_32.shtml number 224
29 April 1324
[1] to Robert, son of Richard de Grey of Codenoure, and the heirs of his body, [2] to Gilbert, brother of the same Robert, son of Richard, and the heirs of his body and [3] to the right heirs of Robert fiz Payn.
B. Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/286/32 https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_286_32.shtml number 225
29 April 1324
[1] to Robert, son of Richard de Grei of Codenoure, and the heirs of his body, [2] to Gilbert, brother of the same Robert, son of Richard, and the heirs of his body and [3] to the right heirs of Robert fiz Payn.
C. Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/286/32 https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_286_32.shtml number 226
29 April 1324
[1] to Robert, son of Richard de Grey of Codenoure, and the heirs of his body, [2] to Gilbert, brother of the same Robert, son of Richard, and the heirs of his body and [3] to the right heirs of Robert fiz Pa[yn].
D. Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/287/45 https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_287_45.shtml number 504
13 October 1354
[1] to Robert, son of Richard de Grey of Codenore, and Elizabeth, his wife, and the heirs of the body of Robert, son of Richard, and [2] to the right heirs of Robert Fytzpayn.
E. Patent Roll 12 Edw II p. 2 m. 4, as quoted in Cokayne, Complete Peerage of England.
Robert II FitzPaen married Ela [previously le Mareschal] 29 Jun 1319, “with no issue.” Thus there can be no daughter Joan born 1321. The children’s mother was Elizabeth FitzPaen, not a later Joan.
!Source: Pedigree of the family of Grey, of Codnor https://www.codnor.info/resources/Castle/GreyTree2.pdf
Henry de Grey = Isolda b 1182 – d 1246
Feudal Baron of Codnor co-heiress of the Bardolf estates.
by tenure. b 1150s – d 1219 Married 2nd Reynold de Meurdre 1225/35
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Richard de Grey of Codnor = Lucy
Seneschal of Gascony & Poitou. Married 1219/23
Founder of Aylesford Priory. daughter of
b circa 1202 – d 1271 John de Humez
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John de Grey of Codnor = Lucy, daughter of
Only son & heir. Died Reginald de Mohun.
soon after his father. Married 2nd Arnald Murdak.
b 1225/30 d 05/01/1272
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Henry 1st Baron Grey = 1st wife Eleanor
of Codnor de Courteney.
b 1257 – d 1308
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Richard 2nd Baron Grey = Joan Fitz Payne <<<< False, corrected entry is Elizabeth Fitz Payne born about 1306. If husband died 1335, then she lived longer than 1334/5.
of Codnor. b 1287 – d 1334/5
b 1281/2 – d 1335 Survived her husband.
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Gilbert de Grey
Rector of Heanor
Church 1346
!Source: Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/286/32 https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_286_32.shtml
CP 25/1/286/32, number 224.
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County: Somerset. Dorset
Place: Westminster.
Date: Two weeks from Easter, 17 Edward II [29 April 1324].
Parties: Robert fiz Payn and Ela, his wife, querents, and Jordan de Byntre, the parson of the church of Wrockeshale, and Geoffrey de Godemaneston', the parson of the church of Wodeton', deforciants.
Property: The manors of Stokecurcy, Radeweye, Cary [and] Cherleton' and the hundred of Canyngton' and the advowson of the church of Cherleton' in the county of Somerset and the manor of Wrockeshale and the advowson of the church of the same manor in the county of Dorset.
Action: Plea of covenant.
Agreement: Robert and Ela have acknowledged the manors and hundred and advowsons to be the right of Jordan and Geoffrey, as those which Jordan and Geoffrey have of their gift.
For this: Jordan and Geoffrey have granted to Robert and Ela the manors and hundred and advowsons and have rendered them to them in the court, to hold to Robert and Ela and the male heirs begotten by Robert on the body of Ela, of the lord king and his heirs for ever. In default of such heirs, successive remainders to Robert, son of Richard de Grey of Codenoure, and the heirs of his body, to Gilbert, brother of the same Robert, son of Richard, and the heirs of his body and to the right heirs of Robert fiz Payn.
Note: This agreement was made by the command of the lord king.
Note: [Endorsed: Bew de Knouille puts in his claim. Alice de Eueringham puts in her claim. <<<< Note from source not me - Rex
Thomas le Bret puts in his claim. Peter Helyon and Cecily, his wife, put in their claim. Thomas de Iuethorn' and Sarah, his wife, put in their claim.]
Standardised forms of names.
Persons: Robert FitzPayn, Ela FitzPayn, Jordan de Bintree, Geoffrey de Godmanstone, Richard de Grey, Robert de Grey, Gilbert de Grey, Bew de Knoville, Alice de Everingham, Thomas le Brett, Peter Helion, Cecily Helion, Thomas de Ivethorn, Sarah de Ivethorn
Places: Wraxall, Wootton Fitzpaine , Stogursey, Radway Fitzpaine , Cary Fitzpaine , Charlton Mackrell, Cannington, Codnor
Summary: Robert II FitzPaen and wife Ela reaffirmed ownership of properties in Somerset and Dorset through a royal court fine in 1324, creating an entail through the Greys of Codnor. It also makes it rather likely that Elizabeth, wife of Richard de Grey was their daughter, and shows likely grandsons Robert and Gilbert.
!Source: Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/286/32 https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_286_32.shtml
CP 25/1/286/32, number 225.
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County: Somerset. Dorset
Place: Westminster.
Date: Two weeks from Easter, 17 Edward II [29 April 1324].
Parties: Robert fiz Payn and Ela, his wife, querents, and Jordan de Byntre, the parson of the church of Wrockeshale, and Geoffrey de Godemaneston', the parson of the church of Wodeton', deforciants.
Property: The manor of Staple and 1 messuage and 1 carucate of land in Wyndeyate and the advowson of the church of Staple in the county of Somerset and the manor of Akford' and the advowson of the church of the same manor in the county of Dorset.
Action: Plea of covenant.
Agreement: Robert and Ela have acknowledged the tenements and advowsons to be the right of Jordan, as those which Jordan and Geoffrey have of their gift.
For this: Jordan and Geoffrey have granted to Robert and Ela the tenements and advowsons and have rendered them to them in the court, to hold to Robert and Ela and the male heirs of their bodies, of the chief lords for ever. In default of such heirs, successive remainders to Robert, son of Richard de Grei of Codenoure, and the heirs of his body, to Gilbert, brother of the same Robert, son of Richard, and the heirs of his body and to the right heirs of Robert fiz Payn.
Note: [Endorsed: Bew de Knouill' puts in his claim. Alice de Eueringh[a]m puts in her claim. <<<< Note from source not me - Rex
Thomas le Bret puts in his claim. Peter Helyon and Cecily, his wife, put in their claim.]
Standardised forms of names.
Persons: Robert FitzPayn, Ela FitzPayn, Jordan de Bintree, Geoffrey de Godmanstone, Richard de Grey, Robert de Grey, Gilbert de Grey, Bew de Knoville, Alice de Everingham, Thomas le Brett, Peter Helion, Cecily Helion
Places: Wraxall, Wootton Fitzpaine , Staple Fitzpaine, Wingate , Okeford Fitzpaine, Codnor
Summary: Robert II FitzPaen and wife Ela reaffirmed ownership of properties in Somerset and Dorset through a royal court fine in 1324, creating an entail through the Greys of Codnor. It also makes it rather likely that Elizabeth, wife of Richard de Grey was their daughter, and shows likely grandsons Robert and Gilbert.
!Source: Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/286/32 https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_286_32.shtml
CP 25/1/286/32, number 226.
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County: Surrey. Wiltshire.
Place: Westminster.
Date: Two weeks from Easter, 17 Edward II [29 April 1324].
Parties: Robert fiz Payn and Ela, his wife, querents, and Jordan de Byntre, the parson of the church of Wrockeshale, and Geoffrey de Godemaneston', the parson of the church of Wodeton', deforciants.
Property: The manor of Whisshele in the county of Surrey and the manor of Stourton' and the advowson of the church of the same manor in the county of Wiltshire.
Action: Plea of covenant.
Agreement: Robert and Ela have acknowledged the manors and advowson to be the right of Jordan, as those which Jordan and Geoffrey have of their gift.
For this: Jordan and Geoffrey have granted to Robert and Ela the manors and advowson and have rendered them to them in the court, to hold to Robert and Ela and the male heirs of their bodies, of the chief lords for ever. In default of such heirs, successive remainders to Robert, son of Richard de Grey of Codenoure, and the heirs of his body, to Gilbert, brother of the same Robert, son of Richard, and the heirs of his body and to the right heirs of Robert fiz Pa[yn].
Standardised forms of names.
Persons: Robert FitzPayn, Ela FitzPayn, Jordan de Bintree, Geoffrey de Godmanstone, Richard de Grey, Robert de Grey, Gilbert de Grey
Places: Wraxall , Wootton Fitzpaine , Wisley, Stourton, Codnor
Summary Robert II FitzPaen and wife Ela reaffirmed ownership of two Wiltshire manors through a royal court fine in 1324, creating an entail through the Greys of Codnor. . It also makes it rather likely that Elizabeth, wife of Richard de Grey was their daughter, and shows likely grandsons Robert and Gilbert.
!Source: CALENDAR OF THE FINE EOLL S. PRESERVED IN THE PUBLIC RECORD OFFICE.
PREPARED UNDER THE SUPERINTENDENCE OF THE DEPUTY KEEPER OF THE RECORDS.
VOL. III. EDWARD II. A.D. 1319-1327.
https://archive.org/details/calendaroffinero03greauoft/page/n257/mode/2up
1323 Nov. 15 Nottingham
Licence, for a fine of 100Z. made by Richard de Grey of Codenoure
whereof he will pay a moiety at the Exchequer of Easter next and a
moiety at the Exchequer of Michaelmas following, for Robert FitzPayn
Payn and Ela his wife to enfeoff Jordan de Byntre, parson of the
church of Wrockeshale, and Geoffrey de Godemaneston, parson of
the church of Wodeton, of the manors of Stokecurscy, Radeweye, Cary
Cherleton and Wrockeshale and the hundred of Canyngton, and of the
advowsons of the churches of the said manors of Cherleton and
Wrockeshale, held in chief, and for them, after seisin had, to grant
the premises to the said Robert and Ela, to hold to them and the heirs
male of their bodies, with remainder to Robert, son of the said Richard
de Grey, and the heirs of his body, with remainder to Gilbert, brother
of the said Robert son of Richard, and the heirs of his body, with
remainder to the right heirs of Robert FitzPayn.
!Source: The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant,
Extinct, or Dormant G. E. Cokayne; new edition rev. Vicary Gibbs & H. A. Doubleday
Vol. V [Eardley of Spalding to Goojerat]. London: The St Catherine Press, 1926 [cancelling 1921 issue]
p. 463 – FitzPayn.
https://archive.org/details/CokayneG.E.TheCompletePeerageSecondEditionVolume5EAGO/page/n239/mode/2up
> page 463 matches:
Function Record Location
1. Parentage & Birth Patent Roll 18 Edw III p. 2 m. 34d [1344]; >Described as Robert FitzPayn [IV]; younger son of Sir Richard de Grey of Codnor by Joan FitzPayn
19 Edw III p. 2 m. 31d [1345] > daughter of Sir Robert FitzPayn [I] and Isabel. [Robert IV] Born ~1321 [per his deposition in the Scrope v.
> Grosvenor case, 1386, aged 65]. <<<< 86-65=21 age of Robert IV. The one mentioned in Scrope v.
> Grosvenor was born about 1375, the daughter of Richard 4th Lord Pynings, granddaughter of Elizabeth
> FitzPayne de Grey, and so a complete misread.
<<<< Robert II married Ela 29 Jun 1319 with no issue, per Pat. Roll 12 Edw II p. 2 m. 4
<<<< However, Mother was Elizabeth per fines above. There was no Joan in this time frame.
2. Marriage to Elizabeth de Briene Papal Letters vol iii p. 450 [16 Aug 1351 – 16 Oct 1354] FALSE > Married Elizabeth, daughter and in her issue co-heir of Sir Guy de Briene of Laugharne & Walwyn’s Castle
> [Lord Briene] by his 1st wife Joan de Carew. Elizabeth was still unmarried in 1351.
<<<< False again. The unmarried Elizabeth was likely a different person.
3. Inheritance from Uncle Sir Robert FitzPayn Close Rolls 28 Edw III m. 2; 30 Edw III m. 21 [20 Dec 1354] Upon his uncle’s death in 1354, Robert and Elizabeth inherited the manors and advowsons of Cheddon, Staple,
[2nd Baron] Charlton Mackrell, and Cary Fitzpaine [Somerset] and Wraxall [Dorset] under the fine of 28 Edw III. Livery granted
20 Dec 1354; homage respited as Robert was in the King’s service abroad with Guy de Briene.
<<<< False. Sir Robert FizPayn 2nd Baron was his grandfather. If he was the grandson of Robert I, then uncle.
4. Further Inheritance from Ela FitzPayn Close Rolls 30 Edw III m. 21 [6 Mar 1355/6] Succeeded to Stogursey & Rodway [Somerset], Okeford Fitzpaine [Dorset], and the Hundred of Cannington by
virtue of the earlier fines [17 Edw II]. Livery 6 Mar 1355/6.
5. Lease of Wraxall and Stourton Manors Inq. a.q.d. 33 Edw III file 331 no. 4; Conveyed Wraxall & Stourton to John de Vere, Earl of Oxford, and his wife Maud for life at £200 rent per year,
Patent Roll 33 Edw III p. 2 m. 25; remainder to Robert & Elizabeth and their heirs. Licence 1 Jul 1359.
Feet of Fines case 288 file 46 no. 572 [1359]
6. Military Service & Later Life Scrope & Grosvenor Case Deposition [16 Jul 1386] Testified in heraldic trial; stated his age as “ sessant et cynk anz ” [65 years]. Still living 1386. Described as
brother-in-law to Guy de Briene the younger.
<<<< So wife’s brother was named for his father.
7. Family Connections & Issue Guy de Bryene the younger’s will [7 Jul 1383/6] Styled “mon treschere frere Robard le FitzPayn.” Issue unknown or died s.p. Barony extinct in male line. Co-heirs
Coll. Top. & Gen. iii p. 253 fell to daughters of Robert’s aunts [Isabel FitzPayn Chidiok & Elizabeth FitzPayn de Grey].
<<<< No. This is talking about their grandchildren. He’s totally mixed up.
> Clean Reconstruction
Per Cokayne, Sir Robert FitzPaen IV [ ~1321 – aft 1386 ], styled “the younger,” was the younger son of Sir Richard de Grey of Codnor [ Lord Grey ] and Joan FitzPaen, daughter of Sir Robert FitzPaen I and Isabel his wife. Birth date of 1321. He took his mother’s name and arms by entail and was known in records as Robert FitzPayn le Jeune or de Grey alias FitzPayn.
He married between 1351 and 1354 Elizabeth de Briene, daughter and in her issue co-heiress of Sir Guy de Briene of Laugharne and Walwyn’s Castle [ Lord Briene ] by his first wife Joan de Carew. On the death of his uncle Sir Robert FitzPaen [ 2nd Baron ], he and Elizabeth inherited the family’s remaining Somerset and Dorset estates — Cheddon, Staple, Charlton Mackrell, Cary Fitzpaen, and Wraxall — by virtue of a fine of 28 Edward III. Royal livery was granted 20 Dec 1354, his homage being respited as he was then in the King’s service abroad with Sir Guy de Briene. Following the death of Ela FitzPaen, he also succeeded to Stogursey, Rodway, Okeford Fitzpaine, and the Hundred of Cannington in 1356.
In 1359 Robert and Elizabeth leased Wraxall and Stourton to John de Vere, Earl of Oxford, and Maud his wife for Maud’s lifetime at £200 per year, with reversion to themselves and their heirs. He remained in close association with the Briene family, Guy de Bryene the younger calling him “my very dear brother Robert FitzPayn” in his 1386 will. Still living that year, Sir Robert gave his age as 65 in the Scrope and Grosvenor heraldic case.
The FitzPaen line thus continued briefly in this Grey-FitzPaen branch, uniting the Codnor and Somerset properties but leaving no male issue and no summons to Parliament. On his death, the hereditary title remained in abeyance between the heirs of his aunts Isabel FitzPaen Chidiok and Elizabeth FitzPaen Grey, closing the recorded baronial FitzPaen line.
I’m going to skip page 464, as he is so far off track by now, that anything he says would just mix us up. He doesn’t even understand that he is now looking at the descendants of Elizabeth, daughter of Robert II.
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Cokayne’s claim:
Robert I FitzPayn [1st Baron] = Isabel
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├─ Robert II FitzPayn [2nd Baron] = Ela [later le Mareschal] [no issue]
│ ├─ Isabel FitzPayn [m. Chidiok]
│ ├─ Elizabeth FitzPayn [unmarried]
│ └─ Robert FitzPayn III [died young / before inheritance]
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└─ Joan FitzPayn [m. Richard de Grey of Codnor]
├─ Robert “FitzPayn IV” de Grey [born ~1321]
└─ Gilbert de Grey
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However, since Elizabeth was indeed the wife of de Grey and mother of his sons, this is the true drawing:
Robert I FitzPayn [1st Baron] = Isabel
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├─ Robert II FitzPayn [2nd Baron] = Ela [later le Mareschal] [no issue]
│ ├─ Isabel FitzPayn [m. Chidiok]
│ ├─ Elizabeth FitzPayn [m. Richard de Grey of Codnor]
| | ├─ Robert “FitzPayn IV” de Grey [born ~1321]
| | └─ Gilbert de Grey
│ └─ Robert FitzPayn III [died young / before inheritance]
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└─ Joan FitzPayn [unmarried or unknown marriage]
!Source: THE CONTROVERSY BETWEEN SIR RICHARD SCROPE AND SIR ROBERT GROSVENOR, In the Court of Chivalry, A.D. MCCCLXXXV— MCCCXC. VOL. 11.
CONTAINING A HISTORY OF THE FAMILY OF SCROPE, AND BIOGRAPHICAL NOTICES OF THE DEPONENTS. BY SIR N. HARRIS NICOLAS, K.H. MDCCC XXXII.
https://archive.org/details/decontroversiai00scrogoog/page/367/mode/2up?ref=ol&q=payne
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166 DEPONENTS IN FAVOUR OF
Richard Lord LORD POYNINGS. Richard Poynings fourth Lord Poyn-
ings, was the second son of Michael second Lord Poynings, by Joan relict of Sir John Molyns. He succeeded his brother Thomas in the barony in 1375, at which time he was seventeen years of age, so that he must have been about twenty-eight when he made his deposition. He served in the wars of his time with credit, if not with particular distinction ; and died at Villa Pando in Castile * in July or August 1387. By his wife Isabel, daughter and heiress of Sir Robert Fitz Payne, he left issue, Robert fifth Lord Pojmings, then five years of age, and a daughter, Joan. On the death of the said Robert Lord Poynings in 1446, the barony became vested in the house of Percy by the marriage of Sir Henry Percy, afterwards third Earl of Northumberland, with Eleanor Poynings his grand-daughter and heiress.
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Lord Poynings, being sworn and examined, said, that during the time he was armed, which was from his youth, he saw the said Sir Richard armed Azure, a bend Or, and many of his name and lineage with difierences; and that he had heard from his late father, on whom God have mercy, that the said arms appertained to the said Sir Richard by right of ancestry, but that he had never heard that the said Sir Robert Grosvenor had been so armed until the last expedition in Scotland.
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252 DEPONENTS IN FAVOUR OF
Sir Guy gij. Philip Bryan, the third son, obtained a grant of the manor
' ' * of Thokerwyke from his father, in the 4th Ric. II. 1380, with remainder to his brother William, to which grant Sir William Bonvile, Sir Robert Fitz Payne, Sir John Chydioke knights, and John Erie, were witnesses. He married Joan widow of Sir John St. Aubyn, and daughter of Sir James Chudlegh of Ash ton in Devonshire, by Joan sister and heiress of Sir John Pomeray ;* but by her, who married thirdly Sir Thomas Pomeray,^ he had no issue, and died on the 16th January 1387.^
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Elizabeth the eldest daughter of Guy Lord Bryan was the wife of Sir Robert Fitz Payne in 1354 and by him, who died in 1392, left issue Isabel their daughter and sole heiress, who was upwards of thirty years of age at her father'^s decease, and then the wife of Richard Lord Poynings.
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Margaret, the second daughter, was- the wife of Sir John Erlegh, by whom she had a son. Sir John Erlegh, whose daughter and heiress, Margaret, married Sir John St. Maur, and had a son, John St. M^ur, born in 1408.*
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Sir Guy Bryan, the eldest son of Lord Bryan, was born about 1354.* He inherited the manor of Oxenhalle in Gloucestershire under an entail made by Peter de Grandison,* and died vita patris, in February 1386. His Will, wherein he called himself **Guy de Bryan the son,^^ was dated 8th April 1384, and was proved at
» Pole's Collections for Devonshire, p. 61. Esch. 12 Ric. II. n» 77. Rot. Glaus. 10 Ric. II. m. 44.
« Esch. 10 Ric. II. no 7.
3 Seepage 259. She must have been born as early as 1346, and probably about 1342, as Isabella her daughter was upwards of thirty years of age in 1392, and her grandson was born in 1 376.
* Esch. 3 Hen. V. n» 36.
^ Inquisition held at Gloucester on the death of Sir Thomas Grandison in the 49 Edw. III. " Juratores dicunt quod Petrus de Graunson, avunculus Thome de Graunson Chivaler defuncti, fuit seisitus de manerio de Oxenhall in Com. Glouc*, et predictum manerium dedit prefato Thome et heredibus de corpore suo legitime procreatis. Et si predictus Thomas obierit sine herede de corpore suo legitime procreato, predictum manerium Elizabethe la Despenser et heredibus suis imperpetuum remaneret. Et dicunt quod predictum manerium, post mortem p)*edictorum Thome et Elizabethe, pro eo quod predictus Thomas obiit sine herede de corpore suo legitime procreato, Guidoni filio Guidonis de Bryene Chivaler, filio et heredi ipsius Elizabethe, remanere debet per formam donationis predicte, et quod predictus Guido filius Guidonis est etatis viginti et duorum annonim et amplius.
SIR RICHARD SCROPE. 253
Salisbury on the 30th March 1386. He desired to be buried at S'" Slapton in Devonshire, and bequeathed his property to Alice his wife; but as it was of little value, he emphatically entreated his lord and father to contribute to the payment of his debls and the maintenance of his children. He appointed his said wife his principal executor, and prayed his " dear brother Robert Fitz Payne'" to assist her in the fulfilment of his Will.' Sir Guy married Alice daughter and heiress of Sir Robert de Bures of Bures in Suffolk, and by her had two daughters his coheirs, Philippa, bom in 1378, and Klizabeth, bom in 1381, who were found to be coheirs of their grandfather in 1390, the one being then twelve and the other nine years of age. Philippa married, first, Sir John Devereux, and secondly, about July 1398, Henry third Lord Serope of Masham, K.G., but died without issue on the 19th November 140fi'' Elizabeth, Ihe second daughter, was the wife of Sir Robert Lovell, by whom she had Maud her daughter and heiress, who married, first, John Earl of Arundel, and by him had Humphry £arl of Arundel, who died without issue. She married secondly Sir Richard Stafford, and by him was mother of Avicc Stafford their daughter and heiress, who married James Butler Earl of Ormond, but died without issue in 1456, when the descendants of Sir Guy de Bryan the younger became extinct; and the Barony vested in Henry Percy fourth Ear! of Northumberland, and Sir Thomas St. Maur Knight ; namely, in the Earl of Northumberland, as son and heir of Henry third Earl of Northumberland, by Eleanor daughter and heiress of Sir Richard Poynings, son and heir of Robert Lord Poynings, eldest son of Richard Lord Poynings by Isabel daughter and heiress of Sir Robert Fitz Payne by Elizabeth eldest daughter and coheiress of Guy Lord Bryan ; and in Sir Thomas St. Maur, as son and heir of Sir John St. Maur, eldest sou of Sir John St, Maur by Margaret daughter of Sir John Erlegh, son and heir of Sir John Erlegh by Margaret the second daughter of the said Lord Bryan. On the 16th December 4th Hen. VIL 1488, a deed of partition^
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' A copy, wild probale annexed, is preserved in ihe colleclion of Sir Tliomai Pliillipps, Bart, purchased at ibe sals of Mr, Craven Ord. ' See page 140 autea.
' The original, delivered lo ilie Earl of Northnmberland under the seils of the Earl of Ormond, Sir Edward Poyningi, and Sir Thomas St- Maur, is in the possession of John Uage, Esq. Direct. S.A. and F.R.S., who has bestoned much labour on the Bryan Pedigree, and obligingly communicated his colleclions on Ihe subject.
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SIR RICHARD SCROPE. 253
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Salisbury on the 30th March 1386. He desired to be buried at S'"
Slapton in Devonshire, and bequeathed his property to Alice his
wife; but as it was of little value, he emphatically entreated his
lord and father to contribute to the payment of his debls and the
maintenance of his children. He appointed his said wife his prin-
cipal executor, and prayed his " dear brother Robert Fitz Payne'"
to assist her in the fulfilment of his Will.' Sir Guy married Alice
daughter and heiress of Sir Robert de Bures of Bures in Suffolk,
and by her had two daughters his coheirs, Philippa, bom in 1378,
and Klizabeth, bom in 1381, who were found to be coheirs of their
grandfather in 1390, the one being then twelve and the other nine
years of age. Philippa married, first, Sir John Devereux, and
secondly, about July 1398, Henry third Lord Serope of Masham,
K.G., but died without issue on the 19th November 140fi'' Eliza-
beth, Ihe second daughter, was the wife of Sir Robert Lovell, by
whom she had Maud her daughter and heiress, who married, first,
John Earl of Arundel, and by him had Humphry £arl of Arundel,
who died without issue. She married secondly Sir Richard Stafford,
and by him was mother of Avicc Stafford their daughter and heiress,
who married James Butler Earl of Ormond, but died without issue
in 1456, when the descendants of Sir Guy de Bryan the younger
became extinct; and the Barony vested in Henry Percy fourth Ear!
of Northumberland, and Sir Thomas St. Maur Knight ; namely, in
the Earl of Northumberland, as son and heir of Henry third
Earl of Northumberland, by Eleanor daughter and heiress of Sir
Richard Poynings, son and heir of Robert Lord Poynings, eldest
son of Richard Lord Poynings by Isabel daughter and heiress
of Sir Robert Fitz Payne by Elizabeth eldest daughter and co-
heiress of Guy Lord Bryan ; and in Sir Thomas St. Maur, as son
and heir of Sir John St. Maur, eldest sou of Sir John St, Maur by
Margaret daughter of Sir John Erlegh, son and heir of Sir John
Erlegh by Margaret the second daughter of the said Lord Bryan.
On the 16th December 4th Hen. VIL 1488, a deed of partition^
' A copy, wild probale annexed, is preserved in ihe colleclion of Sir Tliomai
Pliillipps, Bart, purchased at ibe sals of Mr, Craven Ord. ' See page 140 autea.
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' The original, delivered lo ilie Earl of Northnmberland under the seils of the
Earl of Ormond, Sir Edward Poyningi, and Sir Thomas St- Maur, is in the posses-
sion of John Uage, Esq. Direct. S.A. and F.R.S., who has bestoned much labour
on the Bryan Pedigree, and obligingly communicated his colleclions on Ihe subject.
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254 DEPONENTS IN FAVOUR OF
Sir Guy was made of the estates of Sir Guy Bryan, K.G. between Henry
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Bryan, K.G. g^j ^f Northumberland, Thomas Earl of Ormond, Sir Edward
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Poynings, and Sir Thomas St. Maur, for the settlement of'* diverse
variaunces and contraversies^ which had existed between them on
the subject. It appears that the Earl of Northumberland claimed
as ** heir general and inheritable to the said Sir Guy C^ that
Poynings claimed under certain entails " to Robert son of Robert
*^ Lord Poynings, and to the heirs of his body coming, whose son
" and heir he the said Edward was -J* that Sir Thomas St. Maur
claimed partly as " heir general to the said Sir Guy, ^ partly under
the Will of Elizabeth Lovell, cousin and heir to Sir Guy, and partly
by virtue of " diverse recoveries by his ancestor Sir John Erlegh,
" whose heir he was.*' The Earl of Ormond claimed as " brother
^^ and heir to James late Earl of Ormond and Wiltshire,^* by reason
" of diverse fines to the use of the said Earl of Wilts by Alice his
" wife, then right heir to the said Sir Guy Bryan.^ It was
finally agreed that the Earl of Northumberland *^ was and ought
** to be taken and reputed as heir general to the said Sir Guy
^* Bryan ;^ but nevertheless it was determined that certain lands
should be assigned to each of the parties. The acknowledgment
that Northumberland was " heir general^ of Sir Guy Bryan must
be understood to mean that he was one of his heirs general ; and
the passage was probably introduced in consequence of a doubt
having arisen on that subject from his being only of the half-blood
to Avice Countess of Ormond and Wiltshire, the person last seised
of the greater part of the estates in dispute.^ As the Barony of
Bryan is vested in the descendants of Guy Lord Bryan, the point
has been thought deserving of the attention given to it, and the
conclusion seems to be that the dignity is now in abeyance between
the representatives of the said Elizabeth Fitz Payne and Margaret
Erlegh, daughters of Guy Lord Bryan.
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Sir Guy Bryan, of the age of sixty years and upwards, first
armed at Stannow Park, soon after the coronation of the late
King, deposed that he had seen Sir Geoffrey Scrope, uncle of
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* Sir William Pole, in his Collections for Devonshire, p. 275, expressly says
that there was some dispute between the Earl of Northumberland and St. Maur in
consequence of the half-blood. His statement that Fitz Payne married Elizabeth
the daughter of Sir Guy Bryan the younger, and widow of Sir Robert Lovell, is
proved by the dates to be impossible.
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SIR RICHARD 8CR0PE. 255
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Sir Richard Scrope, armed Azure, a bend Or, with a label Argent, Si and with his banner at Burenfos in Yermandois, and at Ourney St. Benoyt in the same country ; and that he had since seen Sir Henry Scrope, his son, armed in the same arms, and his banner also i and he had subsequently seen the said Sir Richard so armed in the expedition of my Lord of Lancaster in Caux, and others of his lineage bearing the same arms with differences. As to Sir Robert Grosvenor, he had neither heard nor known any thing of him or of his ancestors until the time that the pleadings commenced before the Constable and Marshal.
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The arms of Guy Ijord Bryan were. Or, three piles Azure.'
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SIR JOHN CHYDIOKE was the son of Sir John Chydioke « of Chydioke in the county of Dorset ;- and if the statement that he was more than one hundred years of age in 1386 be correct, he was born about 1285. It is however very doubtful if he were so old as he is represented to have been. He says that he was first armed at Stannow Park in April 1327; and as persons usually served in the field before their twentieth year, it is difficult to believe that Chydioke did not do so until he was upwards of forty. The probability therefore is, that he was about eighty when he made his deposition. In June 1328 he was a knight, and was appointed a Commissioner to treat with the Duke of Brabant,' and in August following was sent on a mission to the town of Bruges,* On the 26lli August 1356 he was nominated a Commissioner of Array in the county of Dorset :" in September 1359 he obtained letters of protection, then going abroad in the retinue of Sir John de Monlacute ;* and it appears from his deposition that he had served in many expeditions, and was present at various battles. In the 3rd Ric. fl. 1379-80 he received a licence to embattle his manur-house of Chydioke and to convert it into a castle.^
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' A beautiful impreuion of his «eal occurs to a deed amonE the Charters, in the Ilarleiau ColUclion, in (lie British MuseucD.
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' Uutchins' History of Dorset, i. 547, where views of the rains of Chydioke Castle and of the monuments of the family are given. ' Fixdera, ii. p'iii. p.l8<
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' Ftxdeia, ii. p'iii. p, 15. As the Deponent's fiather was living in 1328, these notices may however relate to him instead of hi; son.
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* Carte's Gascon Rolls, ii. 61. ' Fadera, iii. p' i. |i,1B6.
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' RqI. Pat. 3 Itic. II. p. 3 m, H,
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256 DEPONENTS IN FAVOUR OF
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Sir John Sir John Chvdioke died on the 6th May 1388.^ He married
before 1354 Isabella daughter and heiress of Sir Robert Fitz Payne,^ and by her had a son, Sir John Chydioke, who was upwards of forty years of age at his father's decease:^ he married Joan daughter of Sir John St. Laudo,^and died in the 14th Ric. II.* His son Sir John Chydioke, who was fifteen in that year,* died in 1415,* and by Eleanor daughter and heiress of Sir Ivo Fitz Warine,^ left a son. Sir John Chydioke, then fourteen, who died in the 28th Hen. VI. ^ leaving by Katherine daughter of Ralph Lord Lumley® two daughters his coheirs, Katherine and Margaret. Katherine was the wife of William Stafford, Esquire, in 1440,'^ but at her mother's decease in 1461^ she was then the wife of John Arundel, Esquire, and the present Lord Arundel of Wardour is her representative. Margaret married William Lord Stourton, and is now represented by Lord Stourton.
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Sir John Chydioke, of the age of one hundred and upwards, armed first at Stannow Park soon after the coronation of Edward the Third, deposed that he had seen and known Sir Geoffrey Scrope and Sir Henry Scrope armed Azure, a bend Or, with a white label, and many others of their lineage so armed with differences, in battles and journeys, as well on banners and pennons as on coat armours, and never heard to the contrary. He had heard in his time from many noble and valiant persons that the said arms had descended to Sir Richard Scrope from a right line of
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» Esch. 12 Ric. II. n® 10.
• Esch. 28 Edw. III. n*»41. In the 17th Edw. III. Sir Robert Fitz Payne, her father, settled the greater part of his lands, in default of issue male of his body by Ela his wife, on Robert a younger son of Richard Lord Grey of Codnor, who accordingly succeeded to them, and assumed the name of Fitz Payne. See Esch. 25 Hen. VI. n** 24. Isabella the daughter and heiress of Sir Robert Fitz Payne was found to be upwards of thirty and the wife of Sir John Chydioke at her father's decease in the 28th Edw. III. In 1360 Sir John Chydioke and Isabella his wife gave ten marks for licence to enfeoff certain persons of the manor of Estchelbergh in the county of Somerset. Rot. Grig. 34 Edw. III. ii. 260.
• Esch. 49 Edw. III. n* 34. Rot. Grig. ii. p. 337. She married secondly John Beche, and died in the 11th Hen. IV. Esch. 11 Hen. IV. n<* 15.
• Escheats 14 Ric. II. n® 12, and 11 Hen. IV. n" 15.
« Esch. 3 Hen. V. n» 58. « JEsch. 2 Hen. V. n" 38, and 12 Hen. VI. n" 38. ' Esch. 28 Hen. VI. n°26. ' Harleian MS. 1074, f. 301, 302 b.
• Esch.l Edw. IV. n° 26.
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SIR RICHARD SCROPE.
ancestry. He never in hih time heard apeak of, nor had ever Sir Robert OrosveDur, nor any of his lineage, using the said arms.
Chydioke's arms were, Gules, an inescocheon and an orle of martlets Argent,
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SIR RICHARD SCROPE. 259
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SIR ROBERT FITZ PAYNE. This individual was a younger son of Richard Loro Ghey of Codnor, and, according to his deposition, was bom about the year 1321. Having in 1354 succeeded to the manor of Cherleton Grey in Somersetshire, with other lands in that county and in Dorsetshire, by virtue of a special entail made by Robert Lord Filz Payne and Ela his wife, he assumed the name and arms of Fitz Payne, and is, erroneously, said by Dugdale to have been summoned to Parliament in the 43rd Edw. 111.
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Sir Robert Fitz Payne married before 1354 Elizabeth eldest daughter of Guy Lord Bryan, K.G.' and dying in 1392 or 1393,* Isabel his daughter was found to be his heir, then thirty years of age, and the wife of Richard fourth Lord Poynings.* Their son, Robert Lord Poynings, died in 1446, leaving Kleanor daughter
■" ' Esch 9 Hen. IV. notl.
' ' Escheats 38 Edw. III. n" 41 ; and 35 Hen. VI. n" 24. Thissettlemenl of the
** lands of Kobert Lord Fitz Payne in default of his own issue made, on a stranger in
^ blood, is not a little extraordinary, for he had a daughter, Isabel, wbo was his heir.
^^ She married Sir John Chydinke, and left descendants. See page S56.
^B ' See pages 352, 353, anlea. • Esch. 16 Ric. II. n" 13.