Juliana de Say

Personal and Family Information

Juliana was born about 1308, the daughter of Geoffrey de Say and Idonia de Leybourne. The place is not known.

She died on 20 FEB 1328. The place is not known.^{[Note 2]}

Her husband was Roger de Northwood, who she married in 1319. The place has not been found. Their four known children were John (c1321-1379), Roger (c1323-?), Geoffrey (c1325-?) and Agnes (c1327-?).

Pedigree Chart (3 generations)

Events

Notes

Note 1

!Source: Kent Archealogical Society - Genealogical Notices of the Northwoods. PEDIGREE DEDUCIBLE FROM THIS ROLL AND THE NOTES.

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Sir Stephen de Northwode = ?

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Sir Roger de Northwode = Bona Fitzberwrd alias Bonafilia Je Wautham,

41 Hen. ID., 1257. heir to her brother, 50. Hen. Ill., 1265.

Ob. Nov. 9, 1285. See note 4, Appendix, p. 82.

13 Edw.I.

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Sir John de Northwode = Joan de Badlesmere.

Ob. June 2, 1819, Ob. May 26, 1819,

12 Edw. II. 12 Edw. II.

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Sir John de Northwode = Agnes, daughter of Sir

Ob. v. p. William de Grandison,

by Sibilla, his wife.

Ob. Dec. 4, 1349.

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Sir Roger de Northwode = Juliana, daughter of = Elizabeth, = Margery, = Joan, = Agnes,

[1st] Married under 15 1 Sir Geoffrey de Say, 2 widow of 3 relict of Sir 4 relict of 5 relict of Sir John

Aged 12 in the year 1319 1319 by Idonia, his wife. 1331 Richard 1340 Nicholas de 1342 Thomas de 1356 de Cobbam. Her

ob. Nov. 6, 1361 Ob. Feb 20, 3 Edw. Foliot, and Halgton. Faversham. third husband was

[aged X at event in year Y] III. 1328-9. daughter Ob. 1340. Ob. May, Christopher de

of John de s.p. 1356, 30 Shukkburgh.

Seagrave. Edw. III.

Ob. 1335

!Source: Juliane Northwode https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Say-348

Born about 1308 [uncertain] in England

Died 20 Feb 1329 at about age 21 in Kent, England

Juliane Northwode formerly Say aka de Say

Daughter of Geoffrey de Say and Idoine de Say

Sister of Geoffrey de Say, Katherine de St John and Isabel de Chaumpaign

Wife of Roger de Northwood — married after 23 Mar 1322 in England map icon [uncertain]

Mother of John de Northwode

Biography

Juliane de Say was the daughter of Geoffrey de Say and Idoine de Leybourne.[1][2][3] Her husband was 12 at Easter 1319 according to the IPM of his grandfather,[3][4] which suggests she herself may have been born a little before 1310. Her birth place is not known: her father held lands in a number of counties.[5][6]

Her mother acquired the right to arrange the marriage of Roger de Northwode from Bartholomew de Badlesmere,[3] and married Juliane to him after 23 March 1322,[1][2] "between the fourteenth and fifteenth years of his age" according to a genealogical roll drawn up in the period 1385-1405.[7] They had four children:

John[1][2][3][7]

Roger[1][2][7]

Geoffrey,[1][2] who died without issue[7]

Agnes,[1][2] who died without issue[7]

Juliane died on 20 February 1329.[1][2][3][7] <<<< Gregorian - Julian year 1328.

Sources

1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 Douglas Richardson. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham, 2nd edition , Vol. II, pp. 78-79, DIGGES 5, Google Books

2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham , Vol. III, pp. 101-102, GRANDISON 4

3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 G E Cokayne.The Complete Peerage, revised edition, Vol. IX, St Catherine Press, 1936, pp. 756-757, viewable on Familysearch

J E E S Sharp and A E Stamp, 'Inquisitions Post Mortem, Edward II, File 62', in Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Volume 6, Edward II , pp. 98-110, British History Online, accessed 16 July 2021

Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, Vol. III, p. 502, SAY 4

Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 568, SAY 9

7.0 7.1 7.2 7.3 7.4 7.5 Genealogical Notes on the Northwoods in 'Archaeologia Cantiana', Vol. 2, 1859, pp. 14-16, Kent Archaeological Society website

Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham. Salt Lake City: the author, 2013. See also WikiTree’s source page for Royal Ancestry.

Richardson, Douglas. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham. 2nd edition. Salt Lake City: the author, 2011. See also WikiTree’s source page for Magna Carta Ancestry.

!Source: Kent Archealogical Society - Genealogical Notices of the Northwoods. PEDIGREE DEDUCIBLE FROM THIS ROLL AND THE NOTES.

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Of which Sir Roger and Bona issued

Sir John de Northwode. The said Roger died the 9th

day of November, in the year of our Lord 1286, and

the fifteenth 5 year of the reign of Edward, son of the

aforesaid King, and he and the said Bona are buried

before the altar of the parish church of Menstre, in

Shepeye. And the said Sir John succeeded him as son

and heir, and did homage and relief to the said Lord

Edward, late King of England, for his lands coming

to him by inheritance after the death of the said Sir

Roger, as appears among the Records of the Exchequer,

in Easter Term, the eighteenth year of the foresaid

Lord Edward. Which Sir John married the Lady Joan

de Badlesmere, lady of, the manors of Horton near

Canterbury, and Beausfelde near Dover in the county

of Kent; she possessed also certain tenements in Southwerke,

in the county of Surrey, and rents in the city

of London. Of which Sir John and Joan issued Sir

John, the eldest son, James, Thomas, Richard, Simon,

and Humphrey. The said James died without heir of

his body. Sir John, the eldest son,7 married Agnes,

one of the daughters of Sir. William de Grandisson

and Sibilia his wife, and, with the consent of the said

Sir John, his father, endowed the said Agnes with the

manor of Northwode Chasteners at the door of the

church.8 And of the said Sir John the son and Agnes

issued Sir Roger, Sir John de Northwode, Otho, Sir

William, Knight of the Order of St. John of Jerusalem

in England, Thomas, and Robeit. The said Sir John,

the eldest son, died during his father's lifetime; and,

that the said Sir John son of Sir John, and Agnes

daughter of Sir William de Grandisson, were married,

and that the said Sir. Roger was their issue, is evident

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by the Records of a plea in the Common Bench, in

Michaelmas Term, 6 Rich. II., Roll 508, on a certain

writ9 of 'forme donacionis' prosecuted in the county of

Berks against John Eastbury and others, at the suit of

Roger Beauchamp and others, seeking by that writ the

manor of Lamborne, with its pertinencies, in the said

county ; and by the judgment of the Court of the said

Lord the King they obtained it. And the said Sir John

the father and Joan his wife died, viz. the said Sir John 10

on the vigil of Pentecost, which then happened on the

26th day of May, in the twelfth year of King Edward son

·of King Edward, and the said Joan died on the vigil of

the Holy Trinity next following, which then happened

on the 2nd day of June, in the same twelfth year, as

appears by an Indenture of the goods of the said Sir

John, and by the offices11 taken by the Escheator after

their death and returned into the Chancery of the said

Lord the King, by pretext of writs of diem, clauset ex-

tremum, directed to the said Escheator in the county of

Kent; and by office taken at Sydyngborne, on Friday

next before the feast of St. John the Baptist, in the

twelfth year of the reign of King Edward son of King·

Edward. After the death of the said Sir John, it was

found that he died seized of many manors, lands, and

tenements with their pertinencies, in the said county,

held of the Lord the King in capite, without any men-

tion that he held any freehold in the foresaid manors of

Horton and Beausfelde. And it was also found that the

foresaid Sir Roger, son of Sir John, the elder son of the

said Sir John deceased, was of the age of twelve years

at the feast of Easter next before the taking of the said

Inquisition, and was his heir as to the manors, lands,

and tenements with their pertinencies, held by knight's

service. And as to the rest of the tenements of the

tenure of gavelkind, the said Roger, Thomas, Richard,

Simon, and Humphrey, uncles of the said Roger, and

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Sir John, Sir William, Thomas, and Robert, brothers of

the said Roger, were heirs according to the custom of

gavelkind; making no mention of the foresaid Otho,

brother of the foresaid Roger, in the foresaid office.

And that there were so many coheirs to the said inheri-

tance of gavelkind, appears, as well by the foresaid

offices, as by the record of a certain plea in the Common

Bench, in Michaelmas Term, 47 Edw. III., Roll 257, on

a certain writ of consanguinity, at the suit of Roger de

Scalis and others, against Sir Richard atte Leese, Knight,

and others, prosecuted in the county of Kent.12 And, by

the office taken at Sydyngborne, on the Friday and year

aforesaid, after the death of the said Joan, it was found

that she died seized in her demesne as of fee, in the said

manors of Horton and Beauesfeld, with their pertinencies;

and also that the said Roger, then twelve years old, son <<<<

of Sir John, the elder son of the said Joan, was heir to

the foresaid manors with their pertinencies, and so those

manors only were the inheritance of the said Joan.

And, forasmuch as the manots of the said late Sir John,

grandfather of the said Roger, were held of the Lord the

King in capite; by reason of the minority of the said

Roger, the said Lord the King Edward, son of King Edward,

seised all the manors, lands, and tenements pertain·

ing to the said Roger the heir into his own hands, and so

they remained till the 20th day of June in the thirteenth

year of his reign, on which day, by his letters patent

he committed the custody of the foresaid lands and tenements,

together with the marriage 13 of the said heir,

to Sir Bartholomew de Badlesmere, Knight, to hold till

the legal age of the said heir; who sold that marriage

to the Lady Idonia de Leybourne, late wife of Sir Geoffrey

de Say the elder ; which Sir Geoffrey begat of the

fotesaid Idonia, Sir Geoffrey de Say, Sir Roger de Say,

Juliana de Say, and Isabella de Say, as I have been told <<<<

by many; among them, by John Wantynge, who was the

Esquire and Secretary of the said Sir Geoffrey the son,

and knew them all personally.

!Source: Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900/Northwood, John de https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography,_1885-1900/Northwood,_John_de

NORTHWOOD or NORTHWODE, JOHN de, Baron Northwood , son of Roger de Northwood [q. v.], was born on 24 June 1254 . He succeeded his father in November 1285. In 1291–2 he was employed on a commission of oyer and terminer in Kent ; and in 1292 and 1293 he was sheriff of that county, as also in 1300, 1305, and 1306 . On 1 June 1294 he was summoned to attend at Portsmouth on 1 Sept. for the French war, and in 1297 for service in Flanders; on 30 July 1297 he was an assessor of the fifth in Sussex, and in 1298 was summoned for the Scottish war. On 24 Dec. 1307 and on 17 March 1308 he was appointed a conservator of the peace for Kent; in December of the same year he was justice for gaol delivery in Kent, where during this and the two following years he was a commissioner for the survey of bridges . On 18 Dec. 1309 he was nominated a justice to receive complaints of prises, and on 20 May 1311 a supervisor of array for that county. About the last-mentioned date he is spoken of as lately employed to inquire concerning forestallments in Kent, and in March 1312 was one of the justices appointed to settle the complaints of the Flemings . Northwood was summoned to serve in Scotland in 1309, 1311, 1314, 1315, and 1318. In August 1315 he had orders to stay in the north till 1 Nov., and then to join the king at York . He was first summoned to parliament on 18 March 1313, and specifically as a baron on 23 May of the same year. After this he was regularly summoned down to 22 May 1319. On 8 June 1318 he is styled one of the ‘majores barones.’ In June 1317 Northwood and his son John were two of those deputed to receive the two cardinals coming to treat for peace between England and Scotland . Northwood died on 26 May 1319, and his wife a week later . By his wife Joanna, sister of Bartholomew de Badlesmere, he had six sons. Two fine brasses in Minster Church, Sheppey, probably represent Northwood and his wife, though they have also been identified with his father or with his son John and their wives; these brasses are engraved in Stothard's ‘Sepulchral Effigies,’ and in ‘Archæologia Cantiana,’ vol. ix.

John de Northwood , eldest son of the above, married in 1306 Agnes , daughter of William de Grandison; by her he had six sons, of whom two, John and Otho, were successively archdeacons of Exeter and Totnes from 1329 to 1360, during the episcopate of their uncle John de Grandison [q. v.]; William, a third, was a knight hospitaller. >>> Roger , the eldest, married in 1322 Julianna , daughter of Sir Geoffrey de Say, and after her death had four other wives. He was summoned to parliament on 3 April 1360, and died on 6 Nov. 1361. <<< His son John by his first wife was summoned to parliament from 1363 to 1376, and died 27 Feb. 1379. He married Joan, daughter of Robert Here of Faversham, Kent, and left a son, Roger, born in 1356. This last Roger was never summoned to parliament, and at the death of his son John in 1416 without offspring, the title fell into abeyance.

[Dugdale's Baronage, ii. 70–1; Hasted's History of Kent, I. lxxxii, 507–8, ii. 456, 624–626; Cal. of Pat. Rolls, Edw. I, 1281–92, and of Close Rolls, Edw. II, 1307–18; Rolls of Parl.; Palgrave's Parl. Writs, iv. 1232–3; Archæologia, xxxi.

Note 2

Julian +1 for Gregorian