Geoffrey was born about 1281 in England, the son of unknown parents.
He died before 3 MAR 1322 in England.
His wife was Idonia de Leybourne, who he married in BEF 1305. The place has not been found. Their only known child was Juliana (c1308-1328).
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Sir Stephen de Northwode = ?
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Sir Roger de Northwode = Bona Fitzberwrd alias Bonafilia Je Wautham,
41 Hen. ID., 1257. heir to her brother, 50. Hen. Ill., 1265.
Ob. Nov. 9, 1285. See note 4, Appendix, p. 82.
13 Edw.I.
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Sir John de Northwode = Joan de Badlesmere.
Ob. June 2, 1819, Ob. May 26, 1819,
12 Edw. II. 12 Edw. II.
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Sir John de Northwode = Agnes, daughter of Sir
Ob. v. p. William de Grandison,
by Sibilla, his wife.
Ob. Dec. 4, 1349.
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Sir Roger de Northwode = Juliana, daughter of = Elizabeth, = Margery, = Joan, = Agnes,
[1st] Married under 15 1 Sir Geoffrey de Say, 2 widow of 3 relict of Sir 4 relict of 5 relict of Sir John
Aged 12 in the year 1319 1319 by Idonia, his wife. 1331 Richard 1340 Nicholas de 1342 Thomas de 1356 de Cobbam. Her
ob. Nov. 6, 1361 Ob. Feb 20, 3 Edw. Foliot, and Halgton. Faversham. third husband was
[aged X at event in year Y] III. 1328-9. daughter Ob. 1340. Ob. May, Christopher de
of John de s.p. 1356, 30 Shukkburgh.
Seagrave. Edw. III.
Ob. 1335
!Source: Geoffrey [Say] de Say, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Say-79
Born about 1281 [uncertain] in England [uncertain]
Died before 3 Mar 1322 before about age 41 in England
Sir Geoffrey "1st Lord de Say" de Say formerly Say
Son of William [Say] de Say and Elizabeth [Unknown] de Saye
Brother of Mary [Saye] Northwode add sibling
Husband of Idoine [Leybourne] de Say — married before 1305 in England map icon [uncertain]
Father of Geoffrey [Say] de Say, Juliane [Say] Northwode, Katherine [Saye] de St John and Isabel [Saye] de Chaumpaign
Biography
Geoffrey de Say, son and heir of William de Say, Knt., and Elizabeth ______, was born about 1279-1281 [aged 14 or 16 in 1295, proved age on or soon before 15 February 1302/3].[1][2][3]
Geoffrey married after 28 December 1295 [date of his marriage grant] and before 1305 to Idoine de Leybourne, daughter of William de Leybourne, Knt., Lord Leybourne and Juliane, daughter and heiress of Sir Henry de Sandwich.[1][3] They had three sons and three daughters:
Geoffrey, Knt., 2nd Lord Say born 30 April 1305, died 26 June 1359, married Maud de Beauchamo[1]
Roger, probably the Roger de Say who was deputy 1353-1360 for Geoffrey de Say, Constable of Rochester Castle[1]
Ralph, living 31 March 1321[1]
Katherine, who married Sir John de Saint John, 3rd Lord St. John of Lageham[1][3][4]
Juliane, married Sir Roger de Northwode, 2nd Lord Northwode[1][5]
Isabel [or Elizabeth], married John de Chaumpaigne[1][3]
Geoffrey was continually employed in the wars in Scotland.[1] In 1308 he attended the Coronation in the train of the King and Queen.[3] He was summoned to Parliament from 26 July 1313 to 14 May 1321 by writs directed Galfr[id]o de Say, whereby he is held to have become Lord Say.[1][3]
Geoffrey died before 3 March 1321/2.[1][3] Before his death, he had settled his manor of West Greenwich on himself and Idoine, "with successive remainders to their sons Geoffrey, Roger and Ralph and the heirs of their bodies".[3] Idoine was last recorded living in 14 November 1337.[1]
Research Notes
Manor of Saye's Court
"William his son succeeded him, and died anno 56 Henry III. holding this manor in capite by barony, and the repair of a house in Dover-castle, called, from its possessors, Saye's-tower. [fn. 10] His son of the same name, accounted at the Exchequer for twenty-seven fees of the honour of Magminot; that is, twenty-six of the old feoffment and one of the new, which shews the large extent of his possessions. He died anno 23 king Edward I. possessed of this manor, leaving Geoffrey his son and heir, [fn. 11] who married Idonea, daughter of William de Leyborne [who survived him] and died possessed of it, in the 15th of king Edward II. leaving Geoffrey de Saye, his son, who, in the 8th of king Edward III. obtained the king's charter for free warren for all his demean lands in his lordships of Greenwich, Deptford, &c. with the view of frankpledge and other privileges, and died in the 33d year of it, leaving William his son and heir, and Maud his wife, surviving, [daughter of Guy de Beauchamp, earl of Warwick] and three daughters, who afterwards became their brother's heirs, as will be further mentioned."[6]
Sawbridgeworth Manor
"Geoffrey de Say, his son, was summoned to Parliament as Lord Say from 1313. In 1306 he obtained a renewal of the Friday market granted in 1223 and a grant of a yearly fair on the vigil and feast of the Nativity of the Virgin Mary [8 September]. [fn. 26] He died in 1322 [fn. 27]; his wife Idonia survived him and received a grant of the manor for life from her son Geoffrey. [fn. 28] Geoffrey the younger died in 1359 [fn. 29] and was succeeded by his son William de Say. The extent of the manor taken at his death in 1375 gives a messuage with garden, 500 acres of arable land, 15 acres of meadow, 20 acres of pasture and 100 acres of wood. The rents from customary tenants included 1 lb. of wax and 3 gross of arrows. [fn. 30] John son and heir of William died a minor in 1382. [fn. 31] The manor passed to his sister Elizabeth, who made a settlement on herself and her first husband, Sir John de Falwesle, in 1388, [fn. 32] and on herself and second husband, Sir William Heron, in 1396. [fn. 33]"[7]
Birling Manor
"His son, Geoffry de Say, was summoned to parliament, among the barons of this realm in the 7th year of king Edward II. as were his several descendants afterwards. He died in the 15th year of that reign, being then possessed of this manor, which he held of the king in capite, as of the barony of Maminot. [fn. 5] At length John de Say dying in his minority, and in ward to the king in the 6th year of king Richard II Elizabeth his sister, became his heir, and possessed of this manor. She married first Sir John de Fallesley, by whom she had no issue, and afterwards Sir William Heron, who possessed this manor and bore the title of lord Say in her right."[8]
Sources
1.00 1.01 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 1.06 1.07 1.08 1.09 1.10 1.11 Douglas Richardson. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham. 2nd edition. Salt Lake City, UT: the author, 2011, vol. III, pages 502-504, SAY 4, Geoffrey de Say.
Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham. Salt Lake City, UT: the author, 2013, vol. IV, pages 568-570, SAY 9, Geoffrey de Say.
3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 3.5 3.6 3.7 Cokayne, George Edward and Geoffrey White ed. Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Vol. XI: Rickerton to Sisonby, 2nd ed. [London, 1949]. Online at FamilySearch.org, pages 474-475: SAY.
Cokayne, Complete Peerage Vol. XI. Online at FamilySearch.org, page 350: Saint John.
Cokayne, Complete Peerage Vol. IX. Online at FamilySearch.org page 756: Northwode.
Edward Hasted, "Parishes: Deptford", in The History and Topographical Survey of the County of Kent, Volume 1 [Canterbury: W Bristow, 1797], British History Online, pages 340-371.
William Page, ed. "Parishes: Sawbridgeworth," in A History of the County of Hertford, Volume 3, [London, 1912]. British History Online, pages 332-347.
Edward Hasted, "Parishes: Birling," in The History and Topographical Survey of the County of Kent, Volume 4 [Canterbury: W Bristow, 1798]. British History Online, pages 474-488.
Richardson, Douglas. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham. 2nd edition. [Salt Lake City, UT: the author, 2011]. See also WikiTree's source page for Magna Carta Ancestry.
Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham. [Salt Lake City, UT: the author, 2013]. See also WikiTree's source page for Royal Ancestry.
See also:
Richardson, Royal Ancestry [2013], vol. III, pages 101, 564-566.
Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, [2011], vol. II, page 78; vol. III, pages 500-501.
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Of which Sir Roger and Bona issued
Sir John de Northwode. The said Roger died the 9th
day of November, in the year of our Lord 1286, and
the fifteenth 5 year of the reign of Edward, son of the
aforesaid King, and he and the said Bona are buried
before the altar of the parish church of Menstre, in
Shepeye. And the said Sir John succeeded him as son
and heir, and did homage and relief to the said Lord
Edward, late King of England, for his lands coming
to him by inheritance after the death of the said Sir
Roger, as appears among the Records of the Exchequer,
in Easter Term, the eighteenth year of the foresaid
Lord Edward. Which Sir John married the Lady Joan
de Badlesmere, lady of, the manors of Horton near
Canterbury, and Beausfelde near Dover in the county
of Kent; she possessed also certain tenements in Southwerke,
in the county of Surrey, and rents in the city
of London. Of which Sir John and Joan issued Sir
John, the eldest son, James, Thomas, Richard, Simon,
and Humphrey. The said James died without heir of
his body. Sir John, the eldest son,7 married Agnes,
one of the daughters of Sir. William de Grandisson
and Sibilia his wife, and, with the consent of the said
Sir John, his father, endowed the said Agnes with the
manor of Northwode Chasteners at the door of the
church.8 And of the said Sir John the son and Agnes
issued Sir Roger, Sir John de Northwode, Otho, Sir
William, Knight of the Order of St. John of Jerusalem
in England, Thomas, and Robeit. The said Sir John,
the eldest son, died during his father's lifetime; and,
that the said Sir John son of Sir John, and Agnes
daughter of Sir William de Grandisson, were married,
and that the said Sir. Roger was their issue, is evident
page 13
by the Records of a plea in the Common Bench, in
Michaelmas Term, 6 Rich. II., Roll 508, on a certain
writ9 of 'forme donacionis' prosecuted in the county of
Berks against John Eastbury and others, at the suit of
Roger Beauchamp and others, seeking by that writ the
manor of Lamborne, with its pertinencies, in the said
county ; and by the judgment of the Court of the said
Lord the King they obtained it. And the said Sir John
the father and Joan his wife died, viz. the said Sir John 10
on the vigil of Pentecost, which then happened on the
26th day of May, in the twelfth year of King Edward son
·of King Edward, and the said Joan died on the vigil of
the Holy Trinity next following, which then happened
on the 2nd day of June, in the same twelfth year, as
appears by an Indenture of the goods of the said Sir
John, and by the offices11 taken by the Escheator after
their death and returned into the Chancery of the said
Lord the King, by pretext of writs of diem, clauset ex-
tremum, directed to the said Escheator in the county of
Kent; and by office taken at Sydyngborne, on Friday
next before the feast of St. John the Baptist, in the
twelfth year of the reign of King Edward son of King·
Edward. After the death of the said Sir John, it was
found that he died seized of many manors, lands, and
tenements with their pertinencies, in the said county,
held of the Lord the King in capite, without any men-
tion that he held any freehold in the foresaid manors of
Horton and Beausfelde. And it was also found that the
foresaid Sir Roger, son of Sir John, the elder son of the
said Sir John deceased, was of the age of twelve years
at the feast of Easter next before the taking of the said
Inquisition, and was his heir as to the manors, lands,
and tenements with their pertinencies, held by knight's
service. And as to the rest of the tenements of the
tenure of gavelkind, the said Roger, Thomas, Richard,
Simon, and Humphrey, uncles of the said Roger, and
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Sir John, Sir William, Thomas, and Robert, brothers of
the said Roger, were heirs according to the custom of
gavelkind; making no mention of the foresaid Otho,
brother of the foresaid Roger, in the foresaid office.
And that there were so many coheirs to the said inheri-
tance of gavelkind, appears, as well by the foresaid
offices, as by the record of a certain plea in the Common
Bench, in Michaelmas Term, 47 Edw. III., Roll 257, on
a certain writ of consanguinity, at the suit of Roger de
Scalis and others, against Sir Richard atte Leese, Knight,
and others, prosecuted in the county of Kent.12 And, by
the office taken at Sydyngborne, on the Friday and year
aforesaid, after the death of the said Joan, it was found
that she died seized in her demesne as of fee, in the said
manors of Horton and Beauesfeld, with their pertinencies;
and also that the said Roger, then twelve years old, son <<<<
of Sir John, the elder son of the said Joan, was heir to
the foresaid manors with their pertinencies, and so those
manors only were the inheritance of the said Joan.
And, forasmuch as the manots of the said late Sir John,
grandfather of the said Roger, were held of the Lord the
King in capite; by reason of the minority of the said
Roger, the said Lord the King Edward, son of King Edward,
seised all the manors, lands, and tenements pertain·
ing to the said Roger the heir into his own hands, and so
they remained till the 20th day of June in the thirteenth
year of his reign, on which day, by his letters patent
he committed the custody of the foresaid lands and tenements,
together with the marriage 13 of the said heir,
to Sir Bartholomew de Badlesmere, Knight, to hold till
the legal age of the said heir; who sold that marriage
to the Lady Idonia de Leybourne, late wife of Sir Geoffrey
de Say the elder ; which Sir Geoffrey begat of the
fotesaid Idonia, Sir Geoffrey de Say, Sir Roger de Say,
Juliana de Say, and Isabella de Say, as I have been told <<<<
by many; among them, by John Wantynge, who was the
Esquire and Secretary of the said Sir Geoffrey the son,
and knew them all personally.
!Source: Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900/Northwood, John de https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography,_1885-1900/Northwood,_John_de
NORTHWOOD or NORTHWODE, JOHN de, Baron Northwood [1254–1319], son of Roger de Northwood [q. v.], was born on 24 June 1254 [Calend. Genealogicum, i. 359]. He succeeded his father in November 1285. In 1291–2 he was employed on a commission of oyer and terminer in Kent [Cal. Pat. Rolls Edw. I, 1281–92, pp. 512–13]; and in 1292 and 1293 he was sheriff of that county, as also in 1300, 1305, and 1306 [Hasted, i. lxxxii]. On 1 June 1294 he was summoned to attend at Portsmouth on 1 Sept. for the French war, and in 1297 for service in Flanders; on 30 July 1297 he was an assessor of the fifth in Sussex, and in 1298 was summoned for the Scottish war. On 24 Dec. 1307 and on 17 March 1308 he was appointed a conservator of the peace for Kent; in December of the same year he was justice for gaol delivery in Kent, where during this and the two following years he was a commissioner for the survey of bridges [Cal. Pat. Rolls, Edward II. 127, 149, 168, 254]. On 18 Dec. 1309 he was nominated a justice to receive complaints of prises, and on 20 May 1311 a supervisor of array for that county. About the last-mentioned date he is spoken of as lately employed to inquire concerning forestallments in Kent, and in March 1312 was one of the justices appointed to settle the complaints of the Flemings [Cal. Close Rolls Edw. II, 1307–13, pp. 313, 451, 454; Rot. Parl. i. 357 a]. Northwood was summoned to serve in Scotland in 1309, 1311, 1314, 1315, and 1318. In August 1315 he had orders to stay in the north till 1 Nov., and then to join the king at York [Parl. Writs]. He was first summoned to parliament on 18 March 1313, and specifically as a baron on 23 May of the same year. After this he was regularly summoned down to 22 May 1319. On 8 June 1318 he is styled one of the ‘majores barones.’ In June 1317 Northwood and his son John were two of those deputed to receive the two cardinals coming to treat for peace between England and Scotland [Cal. Close Rolls, Edw. II, 1313–1318, p. 484]. Northwood died on 26 May 1319, and his wife a week later [Hasted, i. 3, ed. Drake]. By his wife Joanna, sister of Bartholomew de Badlesmere, he had six sons. Two fine brasses in Minster Church, Sheppey, probably represent Northwood and his wife, though they have also been identified with his father or with his son John and their wives; these brasses are engraved in Stothard's ‘Sepulchral Effigies,’ and in ‘Archæologia Cantiana,’ vol. ix.
John de Northwood [d. 1317], eldest son of the above, married in 1306 Agnes [d. 1348], daughter of William de Grandison; by her he had six sons, of whom two, John and Otho, were successively archdeacons of Exeter and Totnes from 1329 to 1360, during the episcopate of their uncle John de Grandison [q. v.]; William, a third, was a knight hospitaller. >>> Roger [1307–1361], the eldest, married in 1322 Julianna [d. 1329], daughter of Sir Geoffrey de Say, and after her death had four other wives. He was summoned to parliament on 3 April 1360, and died on 6 Nov. 1361. <<< His son John by his first wife was summoned to parliament from 1363 to 1376, and died 27 Feb. 1379. He married Joan, daughter of Robert Here of Faversham, Kent, and left a son, Roger, born in 1356. This last Roger was never summoned to parliament, and at the death of his son John in 1416 without offspring, the title fell into abeyance.
[Dugdale's Baronage, ii. 70–1; Hasted's History of Kent, I. lxxxii, 507–8, ii. 456, 624–626; Cal. of Pat. Rolls, Edw. I, 1281–92, and of Close Rolls, Edw. II, 1307–18; Rolls of Parl.; Palgrave's Parl. Writs, iv. 1232–3; Archæologia, xxxi.