Hugh [Hill] de Neenton

Hugh [Hill] de Neenton (c1278->1328)	Warren [Hill] de Neenton (c1257->1328)	John Hawkins [Hotchkiss], de Northwod, de Hoxwode, de Flegh, de Hawkinge (c1225-c1311)	Nicholas [Hotchkiss], de Northwod (c1200-c1242)	+



	Joan (c1257-?)

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Note 1

!Note: This set of entries may be stretching things, but it is my contention that these gifts of land are only given to close relatives.

This probably started with Hawkswood. The common scribal abbreviation would be Hauks or even Hask. If the scribe used a long “s” or “ſ”, which can look a lot like an “l” and minimized the “k” flourish, and as also happened a lot, barely wrote the “a”, these can end up looking exactly like Hill or Hull. At some point they likely looked at the written name and decided to use it. Of course the manor may have been on a slight hill as well.

!Source: http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_194_11.shtml

Link: Image of document at AALT http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/CP25%281%29/CP_25_1_194/IMG_0007.htm

Parties: Hugh, son of Warin de Neenton, and Joan, his wife, querents, by William Milsent, put in the place of Joan, and Thomas, the parson of the church of Neenton', deforciant.

Property: 2 messuages, 1 virgate and 3 nooks of land and a fourth part of 1 messuage in Neenton'.

Agreement: Hugh has acknowledged the tenements to be the right of Thomas, as those which Thomas has of his gift.

For this: Thomas has granted to Hugh and Joan the tenements and has rendered them to them in the court, to hold to Hugh and Joan and the heirs of their bodies, of the chief lords for ever. In default of such heirs, successive remainders [1] to Alice, daughter of the same Hugh, and the heirs of her body, [2] to John, son of Philip le Taillour, and the male heirs of his body, [3] to Richard, son of Walter le Taillour, and the male heirs of his body and [4] >>> to John, son of Roger Hawys, and his heirs. <<<

Standardised forms of names. [These are tentative suggestions, intended only as a finding aid.]

Persons: Warin de Neenton, Hugh de Neenton, Joan de Neenton, William Millicent, Thomas, Alice de Neenton, Philip le Taylor, John le Taylor, Walter le Taylor, Richard le Taylor, Roger Hawes, John Hawes

John would be the 4th choice if Hugh and Joan had no living heirs of their body. These are usually related in other ways, like brothers, cousins, etc.

This means that Roger is likely to be a brother to Hugh or Joan. Hugh could be their son, but this Hugh’s father was Warin de Neenton,rather than John. That would leave things like son-in-law or nephew. Looking at the dates, Warren might be, Hugh le Mon de Hokswod’s brother, so that he was naming his grandchildren and his great-nephew. This might have been everyone in that generation at the time.

Note: There was a princess descended from the Welsh Powys who had Hawys [How wise] for a first name. She was having children in 1355. It later became a surname, but not related to Hotchkiss.

!Source: EYTON's ANTIQUITIES OF SHROPSHIRE. ANTIQUITIES OF SHROPSHIRE. BY THE REV. R. W. EYTON, RECTOR OF RYTON Non omnia grandior setas Quae fugiannis habet. VOL. III.

OF UNDER-TENANTS in this Manor I have no particulars, further than is implied above, or may be gathered from a Fine levied in 1328, whereto Hugh, son of Warine de Neinton, Johanna his wife, and Thomas, Parson of the Church of Neinton, are parties. [21]

!Source: Index of Placita de Banco, A.D. 1327-1328 :preserved in the Public Record Office

https://archive.org/stream/indexofplacitade02newy/indexofplacitade02newy_djvu.txt

On 12 November 1329 a Philip de la More was presented at Hopton Wafers, Shropshire, the Patron being the Bishop, by lapse. On 11 July 1331 Philip de la More rector of Hopton Wafers was recorded in exchange with Hugh de Neenton, portionist of coll. ch. of St. Probus, Cornwall.[11]

Note 11. ↑ Hopton Wafers melocki and Thome de Charlton melocki. https://www.melocki.org.uk/diocese/HoptonWafers.html

1331 Jul 11, Hopton Wafers., R ,>>> Hugh de Neenton <<<, portionist of coll. ch. of St. Probus, Cornwall, Exeter d., , Philip de la More, rector of Hopton Wafers., Exchange.

– On 11 July 1331 exchanged benefices with Philip de la More, rector of Hopton Wafers, Shropshire.

– Likely member of the Neenton family, serving in the Church while Ralph II and Adam d’Arraz were active as lay lords.

- Possibly actually this Hugh at 48 after raising his children and losing his wife. <<<<

!Source: https://www.shropshirearchives.org.uk/collections/getrecord/CCA_X6000_18_3835

Roger & Edith Hankyn give etc to William de Nesse a fourth part of a messuage in Mardevole

Description: "Sciant presentes etc". Roger called Hankyn of Cotes in Salop & Edith my wife give etc William son of Adam de Nesse a fourth part of a messuage in Mardevole which Edith inherited through the death of John her brother ,lying between meadows? which William bought of Henry called the Gost and Alice his wife and Reginald son of Tho.le Taylour. To have etc. Rent a rose. Witnesses,-John Russel & Roger called le Chaumpeneys, bailiffs, Rog.Pride, Jo de Lodelowe, Hugh.......stained...Hagwas, Peter called de Lodelowe. No date [1284] Seal gone

Notes: This one has comments about a missing date and yet assigns a date of 1284. However, it is clearly inadequate and I think should likely be something like 1334. I have a Thomas le Tailour born about 1288, son of Warrin de Neenton. Roger Hawkins was also born about 1288, the son of Sir Andrew, and remember the Hawkins name is still new. We also have Hugh Hill de Neenton born about 1278 and Thomas's brother appearing as a witness. He would be what 46, which seems a reasonable age. For this record to work with these people, who are in all three cases related and the only ones with their names during the entire time window, the date would need to be just about exactly 1330 or maybe a bit later like 1334, if it was some kind of misread of an unclear date instead of no date at all: 1288+21+21= 1330.

Hugh [Hill] de Neenton

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Note 1