Eleanor Poynings

Personal and Family Information

Eleanor was born about 1421, the daughter of Richard Poynings and Eleanore Berkeley. The place is not known.

She died in 1482. The place is not known.

Her husband was Henry Percy, who she married on 25 JUN 1435. The place has not been found. Their five known children were Anne (1444-<1522), Margaret (<1447-?), Henry (c1449-1489), Eleanor (1455-c1477) and Elizabeth (1460-1512).

Pedigree Chart (3 generations)

Events

Notes

Note 1

!Stylename: Poynings, Richard, 4th Lord Poyning [~1358 - 1387]

!Source: THE CONTROVERSY BETWEEN SIR RICHARD SCROPE AND SIR ROBERT GROSVENOR, In the Court of Chivalry, A.D. MCCCLXXXV— MCCCXC. VOL. 11.

CONTAINING A HISTORY OF THE FAMILY OF SCROPE, AND BIOGRAPHICAL NOTICES OF THE DEPONENTS. BY SIR N. HARRIS NICOLAS, K.H. MDCCC XXXII.

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166 DEPONENTS IN FAVOUR OF

Richard Lord LORD POYNINGS. Richard Poynings fourth Lord Poyn-

ings, was the second son of Michael second Lord Poynings, by Joan relict of Sir John Molyns. He succeeded his brother Thomas in the barony in 1375, at which time he was seventeen years of age, so that he must have been about twenty-eight when he made his deposition. He served in the wars of his time with credit, if not with particular distinction ; and died at Villa Pando in Castile * in July or August 1387. By his wife Isabel, daughter and heiress of Sir Robert Fitz Payne [IV], he left issue, Robert fifth Lord Poynings, then five years of age, and a daughter, Joan. On the death of the said Robert Lord Poynings in 1446, the barony became vested in the house of Percy by the marriage of Sir Henry Percy, afterwards third Earl of Northumberland, with Eleanor Poynings his grand-daughter and heiress.

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Lord Poynings, being sworn and examined, said, that during the time he was armed, which was from his youth, he saw the said Sir Richard armed Azure, a bend Or, and many of his name and lineage with difierences; and that he had heard from his late father, on whom God have mercy, that the said arms appertained to the said Sir Richard by right of ancestry, but that he had never heard that the said Sir Robert Grosvenor had been so armed until the last expedition in Scotland.

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252 DEPONENTS IN FAVOUR OF

Sir Guy Bryan,K.G. Sir Philip Bryan, the third son, obtained a grant of the manor

' ' * of Thokerwyke from his father, in the 4th Ric. II. 1380, with remainder to his brother William, to which grant Sir William Bonvile, Sir Robert Fitz Payne, Sir John Chydioke knights, and John Erie, were witnesses. He married Joan widow of Sir John St. Aubyn, and daughter of Sir James Chudlegh of Ash ton in Devonshire, by Joan sister and heiress of Sir John Pomeray ;* but by her, who married thirdly Sir Thomas Pomeray,^ he had no issue, and died on the 16th January 1387.^

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Elizabeth the eldest daughter of Guy Lord Bryan was the wife of Sir Robert Fitz Payne in 1354 and by him, who died in 1392, left issue Isabel their daughter and sole heiress, who was upwards of thirty years of age at her father'^s decease, and then the wife of Richard Lord Poynings.

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Margaret, the second daughter, was- the wife of Sir John Erlegh, by whom she had a son. Sir John Erlegh, whose daughter and heiress, Margaret, married Sir John St. Maur, and had a son, John St. M^ur, born in 1408.*

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Sir Guy Bryan, the eldest son of Lord Bryan, was born about 1354.* He inherited the manor of Oxenhalle in Gloucestershire under an entail made by Peter de Grandison,* and died vita patris, in February 1386. His Will, wherein he called himself **Guy de Bryan the son,^^ was dated 8th April 1384, and was proved at

» Pole's Collections for Devonshire, p. 61. Esch. 12 Ric. II. n» 77. Rot. Glaus. 10 Ric. II. m. 44.

« Esch. 10 Ric. II. no 7.

3 Seepage 259. She must have been born as early as 1346, and probably about 1342, as Isabella her daughter was upwards of thirty years of age in 1392, and her grandson was born in 1 376.

* Esch. 3 Hen. V. n» 36.

^ Inquisition held at Gloucester on the death of Sir Thomas Grandison in the 49 Edw. III. " Juratores dicunt quod Petrus de Graunson, avunculus Thome de Graunson Chivaler defuncti, fuit seisitus de manerio de Oxenhall in Com. Glouc*, et predictum manerium dedit prefato Thome et heredibus de corpore suo legitime procreatis. Et si predictus Thomas obierit sine herede de corpore suo legitime procreato, predictum manerium Elizabethe la Despenser et heredibus suis imperpetuum remaneret. Et dicunt quod predictum manerium, post mortem p)*edictorum Thome et Elizabethe, pro eo quod predictus Thomas obiit sine herede de corpore suo legitime procreato, Guidoni filio Guidonis de Bryene Chivaler, filio et heredi ipsius Elizabethe, remanere debet per formam donationis predicte, et quod predictus Guido filius Guidonis est etatis viginti et duorum annonim et amplius.

SIR RICHARD SCROPE. 253

Salisbury on the 30th March 1386. He desired to be buried at S'" Slapton in Devonshire, and bequeathed his property to Alice his wife; but as it was of little value, he emphatically entreated his lord and father to contribute to the payment of his debls and the maintenance of his children. He appointed his said wife his principal executor, and prayed his " dear brother Robert Fitz Payne'" to assist her in the fulfilment of his Will.' Sir Guy married Alice daughter and heiress of Sir Robert de Bures of Bures in Suffolk, and by her had two daughters his coheirs, Philippa, bom in 1378, and Klizabeth, bom in 1381, who were found to be coheirs of their grandfather in 1390, the one being then twelve and the other nine years of age. Philippa married, first, Sir John Devereux, and secondly, about July 1398, Henry third Lord Serope of Masham, K.G., but died without issue on the 19th November 140fi'' Elizabeth, Ihe second daughter, was the wife of Sir Robert Lovell, by whom she had Maud her daughter and heiress, who married, first, John Earl of Arundel, and by him had Humphry £arl of Arundel, who died without issue. She married secondly Sir Richard Stafford, and by him was mother of Avicc Stafford their daughter and heiress, who married James Butler Earl of Ormond, but died without issue in 1456, when the descendants of Sir Guy de Bryan the younger became extinct; and the Barony vested in Henry Percy fourth Ear! of Northumberland, and Sir Thomas St. Maur Knight ; namely, in the Earl of Northumberland, as son and heir of Henry third Earl of Northumberland, by Eleanor daughter and heiress of Sir Richard Poynings, son and heir of Robert Lord Poynings, eldest son of Richard Lord Poynings by Isabel daughter and heiress of Sir Robert Fitz Payne by Elizabeth eldest daughter and coheiress of Guy Lord Bryan ; and in Sir Thomas St. Maur, as son and heir of Sir John St. Maur, eldest sou of Sir John St, Maur by Margaret daughter of Sir John Erlegh, son and heir of Sir John Erlegh by Margaret the second daughter of the said Lord Bryan. On the 16th December 4th Hen. VIL 1488, a deed of partition^

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' A copy, wild probale annexed, is preserved in ihe colleclion of Sir Tliomai Pliillipps, Bart, purchased at ibe sals of Mr, Craven Ord. ' See page 140 autea.

' The original, delivered lo ilie Earl of Northnmberland under the seils of the Earl of Ormond, Sir Edward Poyningi, and Sir Thomas St- Maur, is in the possession of John Uage, Esq. Direct. S.A. and F.R.S., who has bestoned much labour on the Bryan Pedigree, and obligingly communicated his colleclions on Ihe subject.

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SIR RICHARD SCROPE. 253

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Salisbury on the 30th March 1386. He desired to be buried at S'"

Slapton in Devonshire, and bequeathed his property to Alice his

wife; but as it was of little value, he emphatically entreated his

lord and father to contribute to the payment of his debls and the

maintenance of his children. He appointed his said wife his prin-

cipal executor, and prayed his " dear brother Robert Fitz Payne'"

to assist her in the fulfilment of his Will.' Sir Guy married Alice

daughter and heiress of Sir Robert de Bures of Bures in Suffolk,

and by her had two daughters his coheirs, Philippa, bom in 1378,

and Klizabeth, bom in 1381, who were found to be coheirs of their

grandfather in 1390, the one being then twelve and the other nine

years of age. Philippa married, first, Sir John Devereux, and

secondly, about July 1398, Henry third Lord Serope of Masham,

K.G., but died without issue on the 19th November 140fi'' Eliza-

beth, Ihe second daughter, was the wife of Sir Robert Lovell, by

whom she had Maud her daughter and heiress, who married, first,

John Earl of Arundel, and by him had Humphry £arl of Arundel,

who died without issue. She married secondly Sir Richard Stafford,

and by him was mother of Avicc Stafford their daughter and heiress,

who married James Butler Earl of Ormond, but died without issue

in 1456, when the descendants of Sir Guy de Bryan the younger

became extinct; and the Barony vested in Henry Percy fourth Ear!

of Northumberland, and Sir Thomas St. Maur Knight ; namely, in

the Earl of Northumberland, as son and heir of Henry third

Earl of Northumberland, by Eleanor daughter and heiress of Sir

Richard Poynings, son and heir of Robert Lord Poynings, eldest

son of Richard Lord Poynings by Isabel daughter and heiress

of Sir Robert Fitz Payne by Elizabeth eldest daughter and co-

heiress of Guy Lord Bryan ; and in Sir Thomas St. Maur, as son

and heir of Sir John St. Maur, eldest sou of Sir John St, Maur by

Margaret daughter of Sir John Erlegh, son and heir of Sir John

Erlegh by Margaret the second daughter of the said Lord Bryan.

On the 16th December 4th Hen. VIL 1488, a deed of partition^

' A copy, wild probale annexed, is preserved in ihe colleclion of Sir Tliomai

Pliillipps, Bart, purchased at ibe sals of Mr, Craven Ord. ' See page 140 autea.

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' The original, delivered lo ilie Earl of Northnmberland under the seils of the

Earl of Ormond, Sir Edward Poyningi, and Sir Thomas St- Maur, is in the posses-

sion of John Uage, Esq. Direct. S.A. and F.R.S., who has bestoned much labour

on the Bryan Pedigree, and obligingly communicated his colleclions on Ihe subject.

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254 DEPONENTS IN FAVOUR OF

Sir Guy was made of the estates of Sir Guy Bryan, K.G. between Henry

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Bryan, K.G. g^j ^f Northumberland, Thomas Earl of Ormond, Sir Edward

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Poynings, and Sir Thomas St. Maur, for the settlement of'* diverse

variaunces and contraversies^ which had existed between them on

the subject. It appears that the Earl of Northumberland claimed

as ** heir general and inheritable to the said Sir Guy C^ that

Poynings claimed under certain entails " to Robert son of Robert

*^ Lord Poynings, and to the heirs of his body coming, whose son

" and heir he the said Edward was -J* that Sir Thomas St. Maur

claimed partly as " heir general to the said Sir Guy, ^ partly under

the Will of Elizabeth Lovell, cousin and heir to Sir Guy, and partly

by virtue of " diverse recoveries by his ancestor Sir John Erlegh,

" whose heir he was.*' The Earl of Ormond claimed as " brother

^^ and heir to James late Earl of Ormond and Wiltshire,^* by reason

" of diverse fines to the use of the said Earl of Wilts by Alice his

" wife, then right heir to the said Sir Guy Bryan.^ It was

finally agreed that the Earl of Northumberland *^ was and ought

** to be taken and reputed as heir general to the said Sir Guy

^* Bryan ;^ but nevertheless it was determined that certain lands

should be assigned to each of the parties. The acknowledgment

that Northumberland was " heir general^ of Sir Guy Bryan must

be understood to mean that he was one of his heirs general ; and

the passage was probably introduced in consequence of a doubt

having arisen on that subject from his being only of the half-blood

to Avice Countess of Ormond and Wiltshire, the person last seised

of the greater part of the estates in dispute.^ As the Barony of

Bryan is vested in the descendants of Guy Lord Bryan, the point

has been thought deserving of the attention given to it, and the

conclusion seems to be that the dignity is now in abeyance between

the representatives of the said Elizabeth Fitz Payne and Margaret

Erlegh, daughters of Guy Lord Bryan.

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Sir Guy Bryan, of the age of sixty years and upwards, first

armed at Stannow Park, soon after the coronation of the late

King, deposed that he had seen Sir Geoffrey Scrope, uncle of

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* Sir William Pole, in his Collections for Devonshire, p. 275, expressly says

that there was some dispute between the Earl of Northumberland and St. Maur in

consequence of the half-blood. His statement that Fitz Payne married Elizabeth

the daughter of Sir Guy Bryan the younger, and widow of Sir Robert Lovell, is

proved by the dates to be impossible.

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SIR RICHARD 8CR0PE. 255

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Sir Richard Scrope, armed Azure, a bend Or, with a label Argent, Si and with his banner at Burenfos in Yermandois, and at Ourney St. Benoyt in the same country ; and that he had since seen Sir Henry Scrope, his son, armed in the same arms, and his banner also i and he had subsequently seen the said Sir Richard so armed in the expedition of my Lord of Lancaster in Caux, and others of his lineage bearing the same arms with differences. As to Sir Robert Grosvenor, he had neither heard nor known any thing of him or of his ancestors until the time that the pleadings commenced before the Constable and Marshal.

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The arms of Guy Ijord Bryan were. Or, three piles Azure.'

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SIR JOHN CHYDIOKE was the son of Sir John Chydioke « of Chydioke in the county of Dorset ;- and if the statement that he was more than one hundred years of age in 1386 be correct, he was born about 1285. It is however very doubtful if he were so old as he is represented to have been. He says that he was first armed at Stannow Park in April 1327; and as persons usually served in the field before their twentieth year, it is difficult to believe that Chydioke did not do so until he was upwards of forty. The probability therefore is, that he was about eighty when he made his deposition. In June 1328 he was a knight, and was appointed a Commissioner to treat with the Duke of Brabant,' and in August following was sent on a mission to the town of Bruges,* On the 26lli August 1356 he was nominated a Commissioner of Array in the county of Dorset :" in September 1359 he obtained letters of protection, then going abroad in the retinue of Sir John de Monlacute ;* and it appears from his deposition that he had served in many expeditions, and was present at various battles. In the 3rd Ric. fl. 1379-80 he received a licence to embattle his manur-house of Chydioke and to convert it into a castle.^

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' A beautiful impreuion of his «eal occurs to a deed amonE the Charters, in the Ilarleiau ColUclion, in (lie British MuseucD.

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' Uutchins' History of Dorset, i. 547, where views of the rains of Chydioke Castle and of the monuments of the family are given. ' Fixdera, ii. p'iii. p.l8<

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' Ftxdeia, ii. p'iii. p, 15. As the Deponent's fiather was living in 1328, these notices may however relate to him instead of hi; son.

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* Carte's Gascon Rolls, ii. 61. ' Fadera, iii. p' i. |i,1B6.

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' RqI. Pat. 3 Itic. II. p. 3 m, H,

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256 DEPONENTS IN FAVOUR OF

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Sir John Sir John Chvdioke died on the 6th May 1388.^ He married

before 1354 Isabella daughter and heiress of Sir Robert Fitz Payne,^ and by her had a son, Sir John Chydioke, who was upwards of forty years of age at his father's decease:^ he married Joan daughter of Sir John St. Laudo,^and died in the 14th Ric. II.* His son Sir John Chydioke, who was fifteen in that year,* died in 1415,* and by Eleanor daughter and heiress of Sir Ivo Fitz Warine,^ left a son. Sir John Chydioke, then fourteen, who died in the 28th Hen. VI. ^ leaving by Katherine daughter of Ralph Lord Lumley® two daughters his coheirs, Katherine and Margaret. Katherine was the wife of William Stafford, Esquire, in 1440,'^ but at her mother's decease in 1461^ she was then the wife of John Arundel, Esquire, and the present Lord Arundel of Wardour is her representative. Margaret married William Lord Stourton, and is now represented by Lord Stourton.

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Sir John Chydioke, of the age of one hundred and upwards, armed first at Stannow Park soon after the coronation of Edward the Third, deposed that he had seen and known Sir Geoffrey Scrope and Sir Henry Scrope armed Azure, a bend Or, with a white label, and many others of their lineage so armed with differences, in battles and journeys, as well on banners and pennons as on coat armours, and never heard to the contrary. He had heard in his time from many noble and valiant persons that the said arms had descended to Sir Richard Scrope from a right line of

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» Esch. 12 Ric. II. n® 10.

• Esch. 28 Edw. III. n*»41. In the 17th Edw. III. Sir Robert Fitz Payne, her father, settled the greater part of his lands, in default of issue male of his body by Ela his wife, on Robert a younger son of Richard Lord Grey of Codnor, who accordingly succeeded to them, and assumed the name of Fitz Payne. See Esch. 25 Hen. VI. n** 24. Isabella the daughter and heiress of Sir Robert Fitz Payne was found to be upwards of thirty and the wife of Sir John Chydioke at her father's decease in the 28th Edw. III. In 1360 Sir John Chydioke and Isabella his wife gave ten marks for licence to enfeoff certain persons of the manor of Estchelbergh in the county of Somerset. Rot. Grig. 34 Edw. III. ii. 260.

• Esch. 49 Edw. III. n* 34. Rot. Grig. ii. p. 337. She married secondly John Beche, and died in the 11th Hen. IV. Esch. 11 Hen. IV. n<* 15.

• Escheats 14 Ric. II. n® 12, and 11 Hen. IV. n" 15.

« Esch. 3 Hen. V. n» 58. « JEsch. 2 Hen. V. n" 38, and 12 Hen. VI. n" 38. ' Esch. 28 Hen. VI. n°26. ' Harleian MS. 1074, f. 301, 302 b.

• Esch.l Edw. IV. n° 26.

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SIR RICHARD SCROPE.

ancestry. He never in hih time heard apeak of, nor had ever Sir Robert OrosveDur, nor any of his lineage, using the said arms.

Chydioke's arms were, Gules, an inescocheon and an orle of martlets Argent,

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SIR RICHARD SCROPE. 259

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SIR ROBERT FITZ PAYNE. This individual was a younger son of Richard Loro Ghey of Codnor, and, according to his deposition, was bom about the year 1321. Having in 1354 succeeded to the manor of Cherleton Grey in Somersetshire, with other lands in that county and in Dorsetshire, by virtue of a special entail made by Robert Lord Filz Payne and Ela his wife, he assumed the name and arms of Fitz Payne, and is, erroneously, said by Dugdale to have been summoned to Parliament in the 43rd Edw. 111.

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Sir Robert Fitz Payne married before 1354 Elizabeth eldest daughter of Guy Lord Bryan, K.G.' and dying in 1392 or 1393,* Isabel his daughter was found to be his heir, then thirty years of age, and the wife of Richard fourth Lord Poynings.* Their son, Robert Lord Poynings, died in 1446, leaving Kleanor daughter

■" ' Esch 9 Hen. IV. notl.

' ' Escheats 38 Edw. III. n" 41 ; and 35 Hen. VI. n" 24. Thissettlemenl of the

** lands of Kobert Lord Fitz Payne in default of his own issue made, on a stranger in

^ blood, is not a little extraordinary, for he had a daughter, Isabel, wbo was his heir.

^^ She married Sir John Chydinke, and left descendants. See page S56.

^B ' See pages 352, 353, anlea. • Esch. 16 Ric. II. n" 13.