Agatha de Ferrers

Personal and Family Information

Agatha was born about 1168 in Chartley, Stafforshire, England, the daughter of William de Ferrers and Sybil De Braose.

She died on 19 OCT 1216 in Aberconway, Caernarvonshire, Wales.

Pedigree Chart (3 generations)

Events

Notes

Note 1

!Note: WARNiNG Apparently this lady Agatha de Ferrers has become contetentious. She was originally said to be the “partner” of King John I, but people have argued if she is really the daughter of William or his brother Robert, and if the Agetha with the King was her or some other Agetha. However, none of that seems to say she wasn’t born, so I am keeping her, but I’ll refrain from adding her children.

!Source: Agatha de Ferrers https://www.geni.com/people/Agatha-de-Ferrers/6000000004586565965

Agatha de Ferrers

Birthdate: circa 1168

Birthplace: Chartley, Stafforshire, England

Death: October 19, 1216

Aberconway, Caernarvonshire, Wales

Immediate Family:

Daughter of William de Ferrers, 3rd Earl of Derby and Sybil de Braose

Partner of John I "Lackland", King of England

Sister of Sir William de Ferrers, 4th Earl of Derby; Millicent de Ferrers; Son Ferrers; Robert de Ferrers, Lord Eggington; Lady Petronille de Ferrers, of Derby and 2 others

Occupation: mistress, http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=rwfurtaw&id=I18287

Managed by: Private User

Last Updated: September 17, 2024

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About Agatha de Ferrers

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ALERT

1. As of 12 Aug 2022, Medilands does not support this person profile to the attached parentage.

2. A Wikitree profile argues two possible fathers: William vs. Robert.

3. Cokayne's volumes of the Complete Peerage make no mention of her.

4. Unless a primary source is found to prove Agatha's parentage, her present parental linkage remains an insupportable presumption. —

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Agatha de Ferrers Mistress of John I Lackland, King of England & possible mother of his illegitimate daughter Joan, who married Llewellyn "the Great"; Prince of Wales

Born ca.1167/72 Chartley, Stafforshire, England; d.19 Oct 1216 Aberconway, Caernarvonshire, Wales

Assumed Father William de Ferrers, 3rd Earl Derby1 b. c 1136, d. b 21 Oct 1190

Assumed Mother Sibyl de Braose b. c 1150, d. a 5 Feb 1228

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Child # 6 of 12

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1. William de Ferrers b.abt.1162

2. Ermintrude Ferrers b.abt.1163

3. Margery Ferrers b.abt.1165

4. Elizabeth de Ferrers b.abt.1166

5. Hugh de Ferrieres b.abt.1167 d.1204

6. Agatha de Ferrers b.abt.1168

7. Son de Ferrers b.ca.1168

8. Millicent de Ferrers b.abt.1170

9. Son de Ferrers b.ca.1170

10. Son de Ferrers b.ca.1172

11. Isabel de Ferrieres b.abt.1172 d.bef.May 31, 1252; bur.St. John Hospital Chruch, Lechlade, Gloucestershire, England; m. abt. 1190 Roger de Mortimer; m. abt. 1215 Piers FitzHerbert

12. Robert Ferrers b.abt.1177 d.1227

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Family 1: Mistress of John I Lackland, King of England, Duke of Normandy, Count of Anjou was the son of Henry II, King of England, 11th Count of Anjou, Duke of Normandy, Count of Maine & Aquitaine and Eleanor of Aquitaine.

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Agatha Ferrers She did not marry John Lackland, King of England, Duke of Normandy, Count of Anjou. They had an affair when they both were young.

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Notes: It is known that Agatha was a mistress of John, but it is only supposition that she is the mother of his child, Joan. Others suggest that Joan's mother was Clemence, the wife of Henry Pinel.

Comments

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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~havens5/p23509.htm

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Quote from a discussion of the Joan of England on Soc.Medieval-L. The identity of Joan's mother is unknown. Agatha Ferrers is a nice guess, but is unsupported by contemporary evidence. The only time Joan's mother is mentioned by name is in the Tewkesbury Annals, where she is called "Queen Clementia". Is this a different name for Agatha Ferrers? Possibly, but not likely.

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Should you take "Agatha Ferrers" out of your charts? Probably. What I would do is replace her with "Clementia, otherwise unidentified", and include a large footnote with all of the speculative identities for her, including Agatha Ferrers. Doug Richardson, taking "Clementia" as a name and not an epithet, has come up with some plausible, but not conclusive, evidence of who she might be .

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Child #1: Joan of North Wales or Joanna Plantagenet of England was born illegitimately. She is the daughter of John I 'Lackland', King of England and Agatha de Ferrers .

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Married: 18 Jun 1205, England; Llewelyn Fawr of Gwynedd of North Wales

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Children:

1. Elen verch Llywelyn;

2. Angharad verch Llywelyn;

3. Dafydd ap Llywelyn

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Possible Other Children:

4. Llewelyn of North Wales

5. Gwladys Dhu "Dark eyed" verch Llewelyn

6. Margaret of Wales

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Citations

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1. Some Early English Pedigrees, by Vernon M. Norr, p. 68;

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http://fabpedigree.com

http://www.multiwords.de/genealogy/Fe26%20William%20de%20Ferrers.html

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jamesdow/s092/f502189.htm

http://www.genpc.com/gen/files/d0023/f0000002.html#I1424 http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/FERRERS.htm

http://thepeerage.com/p40720.htm#i407195

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Note: The single cited source and the above URLs do contain no primary source RE her parentage.

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Joan Plantagenet

Born: ABT 1188

Died: 2 Feb 1237, Aber

Notes: Others suggest her mother was Clemence, the wife of Henry Pinel.

Father: John I "Lackland"

Mother: Agatha de Ferrers

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Married 1: Llywelyn "the Great" ap Iowertg ; m. 18 Jun 1205

Children:

1. Dafydd Ap LLYWELYN

2. Ellen Verch LLYWELYN

3. Angharad Verch LLYWELYN

4. Margaret Verch LLYWELYN

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Married 2: Geoffrey de NEVILLE AFT 1208

5. John de NEVILLE

6. Geoffrey de NEVILLE

7. Agnes de NEVILLE

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CHILDREN of John and Agatha included:

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Joan, Princess of England was born about 1188 in Of London, Middlesex, England. She died in Feb 1237 in Aberconwy, Arllechwedd Isaf, Caernarvonshire, Wales. She was buried in Llan-Faes, Dindaethwy, Anglesey, Wales.

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Married #1. King Llewelyn Fawr "The Great" ap Iorwerth after 16 Apr 1205 in England.

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They had the following children:

F i Gwladys "Ddu" verch Llewelyn

F ii Elen verch Llewelyn 1 was born about 1206 in Of Caernarvonshire, Wales. She died before 24 Oct 1253 in Of Chester, Cheshire, England.

F iii Gwenllian "Las" verch Llywelyn 1 was born about 1207 in Of Caernarvonshire, Wales. She died .

M iv Prince Dafydd ap Llywelyn

F v Margred verch Llywelyn

F vi Angharad verch Llywelyn 1 was born about 1212 in Of Caernarvonshire, Wales. She died in infancy.

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Married #2. Braose, William "Black William" de

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Born in England on 1166 to William De Ferrers and Sybil De Braose. Agatha married John and had a child. She passed away on 30 Mar 1236 in Aberconway, Caernarvonshire, Wales.